Peter D

That comment was not directed at you. At this time I am not working for a contractor and I am transitioning to becoming self employed.

NewBack

Take a look at this thread:

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NewBack

So I assume your post was directed at me.

Your post:

Seems like typical anti-union propaganda. The fact is that you just lied and I called you on it:

I corrected you with facts.

So what's the problem?

Peter D

You would make a good lawyer or politician because you're quite good at twisting words.

Anyway, you're saying that the union has a lock on good paying jobs, and non-union workers are excluded from making comparable pay and benefits. Right? Are we on the same page?

To that I say rubbish.

NewBack

I quoted your exact words, so how did I twist them? That makes no sense...

You said "I could work anywhere at anytime". You are wrong, that is untrue and you know it.
I never said they have a lock, I just said to look for the union jobs since 99% of the time (if not more) they are the higher paying jobs, am I wrong?

No, I did not say that. I was simply replying to what you said.

You said you could work anywhere, you were trying to act like a big tough guy and show off, while furthering your anti-union agenda. The fact is you are very wrong, you can't work anywhere. If you would like to know the places that you can't work, just look for the highest paying jobs, those are most likely the places you can't work. That's just the way it works out.

Like I said, I'm no big supporter of the union. But the propaganda that some people, such as yourself, spread needs to be challenged.

When I see someone make a completely wrong and biased post in favor of the union I will cite them on it too.

Peter D

Ouch..you got me. I'm so tough and I'm such a showoff. Please look at me and see how tough I am.

Anyway, my point was simply that non-union workers are typically not encumbered by the politics and rules that have been spoken of. But you're actually right..where corrupt politicians and unions get together to stifle open shop competition, non-union workers are excluded. So you did get me there. I concede.


Sounds to me like you're a pretty big supporter of the union. Whose side are you on anyway?

NewBack

So you admit you posted misinformation for the purpose of bashing the union. Good enough.
I've said twice already that I'm not a big union supporter, yet you ask me again if I am... Are you just not a sincere person? Do you usually say things you don't mean and expect others to do the same? I can't figure you out.

I'm not on either side. I see benefits and downfalls to both sides. Yes, I am a member, but I do not plan on being one for my entire career. With work as slow as it is, I don't know what I am going to do.

If you bring up one of the MANY negative points of unions, I will agree with you and probably add to it. However, I will not be aligned with your blind hatred and baseless propaganda.

Discussions like this are good for people like me who are on the fence about the issue, discussion could go both ways, there is actually a purpose to it. Since you seem to be completely on one side, and will go as far as lying just to support your side, what is the point of you being in the conversation? What is your objective, just to insult people?

Peter D

Nah, I was just being sarcastic. Couldn't you tell?


Wow...you're really stuck on this alleged "lie" I told. You need to get out a bit more.

NewBack

So you're just a tool who isn't able to have a reasonable conversation...

Peter D

Yes, you are wrong, and therefore lying.

Peter D

Once again, you have me figured out to a "T."

NewBack

You had to go back to find something, huh?

I'd ask for some type of info proving I was wrong, but I'm sure you'd reply with an unfunny quip anyway so what's the use?

Peter D

*sigh*

This whole argument seems to be centering around my comment ("lie" ) of being able to work anywhere at anytime. Obviously I would be excluded from union jobs and union strong areas because I'm not a union member. I figured that was implied.
I was simply making a statement that I can go over to the next state and work without having to sign a book and worrying about being on someone else's turf. I can go anywhere at anytime and get a non-union job. Duh. I like having that freedom and I don't need the IBEW to do advocate for me. If signing books and being on the constant cycle of layoffs is your thing, fine. I know plenty of people are perfectly content with that. I just have no use for it and I find it rather silly.

NewBack

You find it silly? Since you said that, I am going to ask this: How much did you make this year? How much did your great abilities of travel and not having to sign a book and not having the layoff cycles and all the other crap you just spewed get you?

Peter D

You can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that union jobs pay better 99% of the time? I certainly believe that on average union pays better than non, but I highly doubt you can prove that the figure is 99% or more as you stated.

Peter D

Would you also like my credit card number, checking account number, and other private information?

It's none of your freaking business.

NewBack

I did not state, I asked.

NewBack

Of course

We all saw that coming.

Peter D

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NewBack

I think you missed a step there. Go back and read.