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randomkiller · 05-12-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sparkyboys

before i quit smoking bob, i had never been caught AT ALL. any of your employees could be doing the same thing. oh and bob its not like they are on parol, the nurses do not stand next to YOU, just behind, and i still used my technique. sometimes i had been observed by nurses, but the way around that is" nurse i can not pee with you staring in the back of my head. it will be easier for if you turned around" then making a loud long groan would i pour it in the bottle.

as long as you play it cool and calm, they do not even suspect it.
oh and they expext a temp change from 98-93, cause the cup is cold,
so do not threaten about what you know nothing of. i had it down to a science.

Wow, I bet that would make your parents proud.

randomkiller · 05-12-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 1900

Hell, go talk to that guy "LawnGuyLandSparky", he'll tell you. He thinks that someone who smokes some weed shouldn't be an electrician, just a burger flipper or a shelf stocker at K-Mart.

I bet there are more people on this site that agree with him than you think.

sparkyboys · 05-12-2009, 09:20 PM

its whatever. i aint posting anymore to this thread. anyone can get around your drug tests.

i aint trying to prove anything.

they were just suggestions

Minuteman · 05-12-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by brian john

I agree, but IMO smoking on the weekend does not, no worse that beer.

I do not smoke or drink, I am a quitter!

I have done a little of most drugs, and a lot of some. I have also drank like a Sailor on shore leave. Gave it all up, including cigarettes, August 16, 1984.

william1978 · 05-12-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Minuteman

I have done a little of most drugs, and a lot of some. I have also drank like a Sailor on shore leave. Gave it all up, including cigarettes, August 16, 1984.

1900 · 05-12-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by randomkiller

I bet there are more people on this site that agree with him than you think.

I doubt it, there are only a few of you. The rest of the people use their common sense to acknowledge the dangers of alcohol and prescription narcotic abuse above weed.

retired 7373 · 05-12-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sparkyboys

before i quit smoking bob, i had never been caught AT ALL. any of your employees could be doing the same thing. oh and bob its not like they are on parol, the nurses do not stand next to YOU, just behind, and i still used my technique. sometimes i had been observed by nurses, but the way around that is" nurse i can not pee with you staring in the back of my head. it will be easier for if you turned around" then making a loud long groan would i pour it in the bottle.

as long as you play it cool and calm, they do not even suspect it.
oh and they expext a temp change from 98-93, cause the cup is cold,
so do not threaten about what you know nothing of. i had it down to a science.

Some of the test now require someone to stand in front of you and watch you piss. No problem if you cant piss with someone watching you then you dont get the job. I wonder how many people have been killed or hurt while being on drugs , including alcohol.

elliottSmith · 05-12-2009, 11:08 PM

I believe the issue of drug-testing is one of politics. Marijuana is much less toxic to the organs than, say, alcohol, or even tylenol. I've been around drunk people and I've been around stoned people, and I have to say that people who drink are much more disorganized and sloppy as opposed to people who smoke some cannabis. Cannabis, unlike alcohol, does not cause permanent brain damage; something that should be considered when we allow rampant alcoholics (or even regular "social drinkers") to perform electrical work.

I really believe that it is hypocracy to accept alcohol use while not accepting cannabis use. The laws are not based off science or fact; but based off biased and half-truths brought forth to an unsuspecting public back in the 1930's, when the plant was first criminalized.

I do not condone the use of any substances, legal or illegal. However, I do believe that alcohol is much more imparing than cannabis.

sopranocaponyc · 05-12-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by randomkiller

I bet there are more people on this site that agree with him than you think.

when i worked for Local 3 as an 1st year apprentice back in Jan 03 i was working for ADCO and our job site was the dutche bank on 60 wall st. The Electrician i was working with smoked and even did coke at the job site, We also us too go to this bar Fantasia near wall st for lunch on Fridays and drink. I remember one time i came back from lunch and we had 2 hrs to go i was so drunk And they had me cut all the mongo etc. I never did any drugs while working. I did at that time do some coke from time to time on weekends at party's, but haven't touched the stuff in over 5 years.

Minuteman · 05-12-2009, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sopranocaponyc

when i worked for Local 3 as an 1st year apprentice back in Jan 03 i was working for ADCO and our job site was the dutche bank on 60 wall st. The Electrician i was working with smoked and even did coke at the job site, We also us too go to this bar Fantasia near wall st for lunch on Fridays and drink. I remember one time i came back from lunch and we had 2 hrs to go i was so drunk And they had me cut all the mongo etc. I never did any drugs while working. I did at that time do some coke from time to time on weekends at party's, but haven't touched the stuff in over 5 years.

Is that the real you typing, or the guy who hacked into your wireless network?

sopranocaponyc · 05-12-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Minuteman

Is that the real you typing, or the guy who hacked into your wireless network?

LOL. Since then i have changed all my passwords.

randomkiller · 05-13-2009, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 1900

I doubt it, there are only a few of you. The rest of the people use their common sense to acknowledge the dangers of alcohol and prescription narcotic abuse above weed.

I wonder if you would still think that if you weren't a pot head?

steelersman · 05-13-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by brian john

They do offer re-hab.

I had a helper that made the program was in 6 months and failed a random drug test. He was told he could go to re-hab work as a helper and reapply in the fall.

I called the re-hab specialists as I needed help, this kid was a good worker and had rent and truck payments due. The re-hab specialist told me this kid was not safe to be around electricity for at least 30 days after smoking marijuana. I laughed in the phone and gave this guy a piece of my mind explaining to him how bloody stupid he was. Anyway 6 weeks later they let him come back to work. I had hired a replacement and he went to work elsewhere.

Drugs and alcohol can be major issues but today there is a culture of support that makes a living off everyone being addicted.

I couldn't agree with you more Brian. Well said.

steelersman · 05-13-2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by brian john

32 grams in a ounce, 454 grams in a pound and a pound goes for (a pound of what? feathers or lead)

I usually agree with you Brian, but here's where you are wrong. There are 28 grams to an an ounce. It isn't perfect but it is 28.3495231grams per ounce. Grams are metric and ounces are American Standard or Imperial or whatever it's called. So it's 28.3495231 grams per ounce, 16 onces per pound, 453.5923696 grams per pound to be exact. An 8 ball of cocaine is short for an eighth of an ounce, which is 3.5 grams.

I also do not smoke marijuana. I do drink though.

Rockyd · 05-13-2009, 10:08 AM

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I believe the issue of drug-testing is one of politics. Marijuana is much less toxic to the organs than, say, alcohol, or even tylenol. I've been around drunk people and I've been around stoned people, and I have to say that people who drink are much more disorganized and sloppy as opposed to people who smoke some cannabis. Cannabis, unlike alcohol, does not cause permanent brain damage; something that should be considered when we allow rampant alcoholics (or even regular "social drinkers") to perform electrical work.

I really believe that it is hypocracy to accept alcohol use while not accepting cannabis use. The laws are not based off science or fact; but based off biased and half-truths brought forth to an unsuspecting public back in the 1930's, when the plant was first criminalized.

True real life observations. The government is too stupid to understand how to tax a drug. They're too stupid to deal with money (if they wanted solve the deficit, they'd have a federal lottery, and split 25/75 with the winner every week, yes the fed would get 75% but you would get 25% tax free -would you play?). Then again, a lot of the public isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer...

Have a friend who has epilepsy. Used to have to take massive amounts of pills. After a long discussion, the doctor and person agreed to try a little pot in the morning, and a little at bed time. That person only takes two pills a day, and a much happier liver because of the "alternative treatment". Properly used, most drugs are safe, it's when maroons decide to get crazy, is the only time we see problems. Recreational drug users are normally safer, and live a lot longer than cigarette smokers...which is legal?

For the record, I only do what is legal these days

, to much of a money whore to let something get between me and good job - forced to comply because of an all intrusive government.

steelersman · 05-13-2009, 10:18 AM

My opinion is that anything in moderation is fine and should be legal. If the government legalized drugs, at least then they could tax it, regulate it and that would then make the drugs safer. Then you would have less need for people to get them through the black market, not truly knowing what they're getting. Most people would start getting their drugs at the drug store or whereever they would be sold instead of through whatever supplier they get them from now.

But I believe that part of the reason that they won't legalize drugs is that then there would be a huge loss in jobs, such as DEA, ATF, and some others that I can't think of now.

retired 7373 · 05-13-2009, 10:24 AM

With all due respect to everyone and their opinions. Please be safe.
If a fool gets himself killed that is sad. If a person gets someone else hurt or killed it is tragic.

1900 · 05-13-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by randomkiller

I wonder if you would still think that if you weren't a pot head?

There it is,I knew it was coming.

I guess you conveniently missed the posts where I said that I do not do drugs.

I just have common sense, I could see the truth. My judgement isn't clouded like yours apparently is.

brian john · 05-13-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by steelersman

I usually agree with you Brian, but here's where you are wrong. There are 28 grams to an an ounce. It isn't perfect but it is 28.3495231grams per ounce. Grams are metric and ounces are American Standard or Imperial or whatever it's called. So it's 28.3495231 grams per ounce, 16 onces per pound, 453.5923696 grams per pound to be exact. An 8 ball of cocaine is short for an eighth of an ounce, which is 3.5 grams.

I also do not smoke marijuana. I do drink though.

On the street we always rounded to 28 grams to the OZs.

brian john · 05-13-2009, 04:09 PM

We will find out one on my apprentices just got popped for possession of less than 1/8 of an ounce. Pulled over for dead tags, no registration, no state inspection and now possession of pot. Dummy.

Rule Number 1; never carry illegal drugs in an car that is less than legal.

I do like to pull into the local high school "DRUG FREE ZONE" and pop an aspirin, thumbing my nose at authority.