leland

So Sparky: Guy#1 shows up wreaking of rum. Eyes red and tired looking
Guy #2 shows up wreaking of weed.Eyes red and tired looking
Guy #3 shows up Wide awake clear eyed and ready to rock and roll--But smacked out on coke-

Whats the difference? Even if you remove # 3. Would you allow booze on the job?

Guy #1 Has a belt maybe a beer on the way in.
Guy #2 Tokes a joint on the way in.

Whats the big deal? (for conversation,because I have heard more than 20 guys (over the years) tell me,That So+so is a drunk,but they smoke 2 joints before the job.

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sparkyboys

ok. i need to get the job done. these are the only guys i have at the moment. lets say for instance. ok.

redbull.
#3 he good to go
ready to rock

leland

Devils advocate here: 100HP on ice. what good is that? wheels spinning and an accident waiting to happen.

Grunt work,Ok- i'm with ya. (sort of) Not that I've been there..ya know..

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randomkiller

My judgement is just fine, not cluded or over shadowed by any substances illegal or otherwise during the work week. I just don't want to depend on anyone on the job that isn't just as unclouded. I have seen too many guys on the job while there brain was elsewhere.

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Bob Badger

If you think a guy who fires up a joint on Friday night is still 'clouded over' on Monday morning then you really have no idea what your talking about.

If someone shows up on the job drunk or stoned they should be dealt with immediately. If someone gets drunk or stoned on their own time it is none of companies business.

Maybe this will make more sense to you.

Many companies have a no weapons at work policy, how would you feel if that extended to your off time as well?

TOOL_5150

Getting stoned is illegal though. Drinking and owning guns [in my state] is not.

Just a thought, I didnt read the whole thread.

~Matt

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Bob Badger

So now your saying that if an employee does anything illegal on their off time the company should take action?

That greatly expands this thread as so far I don't think we have touched on that aspect of it.

Better not get caught speeding.

TOOL_5150

But I didnt say that - I was just pointing out the differences.

I fully disagree with business having a say in anything you do off the clock, unless it affects you while you are on the clock.

~Matt

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BDB

#1 - Gone
#2 - Gone
#3 - Gone

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Minuteman

Try NOT smoking pot before you post.

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Minuteman

Let's set some parameters. Some things are misdemeanors and some are felonies. Would you keep an employee that you know is committing felonies?

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Bob Badger

I don't know the laws everywhere but in most areas you need to be holding a lot of pot to make it a felony. Where I am it is the equivalent of a traffic ticket for up to 1 oz, $300.00 fine.

Police balk at ticketing marijuana offenders


But I am game lets make a list of laws employees can ignore and which ones they can't ignore before their employer takes action.

Speeding; Ignore

DWI?

Tax evasion?

Local laws regarding side work?

Spousal abuse?

Non-payment of alimony?

Non-payment of child support?

Assault?

Bob Badger

Well ....... if you where not implying that then the difference is irrelevant is it not?

TOOL_5150

yup.

I knew i shouldnt have come in the union forum anyway.

~matt

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sparkyboys

obviously you have not read one of my posts. I do not smoke pot anymore. its been almost a year.
but if i had three guys and thats all i had, yeah i would keep the one of the three, the pot head. and fire the others

miller_elex

I'm with Bob,

a good bong-rip now and then helps round out life.

Last time I sucked down a bongrip, I realised that we Americans spend to much time obsessed with our jobs.

This website alone is a case in point for the above.

That said, I am proud to be a high quality installer, and take my line of work very seriously. A bong-rip helps me to relax, that way I can go on thinking about the job the rest of the weekend.

Rockyd

Man what a funny thread! Takes a shot at a guy who works in an open shop for being union (he's not)!

Thinking Miller has it right, what happens on your own time is yours. I know pot slows you down...proof? Look at how slow Michael Phelps is....(8 gold medals, and faster than a fish?)

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Bob Badger

Hell, it's not like they are ever gonna put an electrician on the cover of a Wheaties box anyway.

brian john

As I have said I do not smoke or drink, but given a choice? Fire up that bong brother, twist one up, pass that duber, don't Bogart that joint.

sparkyboys

i agree that a pot smoker should not smoke on the job.
what that person does on his own time, is his business, what he does on my time, IS my business. If that person, wakes up to a joint fine by me, but i would rather him toke a few times than a whole joint.
self medicating is good for some people. i used to do the same. i am ADHD, pot affects me differently, it does not slow ME down. it hypes me up, makes me more focused on the task at hand.
once i am a full fledge business owner of my own, i may toke every once in a while. pot smokers are hard workers, compared to alcoholics, and i do not like SPEEDERS what so ever. if i pop a test on all my employees and everyone fails with anything in their system OTHER than pot or alcohol, THEY WILL BE GONE, regardless of what everyone else is doing. AND i will be up front with them on THAT when hired.