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Old 07-12-2011, 10:19 AM   #1
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Question Ibew njatc aptitude test compared to sample questions

O.K, I want to start off by saying that I have searched and read through many of the Thread's pertaining on what to expect and what to study on the IBEW - NJATC Aptitude Test and to be honest there are so many varying answers its hard to decipher what to really expect, so I apologize in advance for starting another thread on the aptitude test but I will try to be more specific with my question. I also realize that different unions have different test's but it seams like everyone basically gets the same set of practice questions in the packet you receive prior to the test consisting of 5 Math and 5 Reading. Obviously it's pretty easy to know what to expect as far as the Reading is concerned. I am actually taking this test today so it's too late for me to really gain anything from this thread but I am hoping that it will possibly help someone else out. So basically my question is how does the actual math portion of the test compare to the practice questions that are provided (which I will post a link below to them but am sure most know what I am referring to). Depending on the answers the post receives and what is actually on the test today when I take it: Perhaps I should put this under the complaint department and not the Union Topics due the the fact in the pamphlet it say's "IF you find some of the sample items to be difficult for you, you may want to review material that is similar to the sample items"....I Fear I may have taken the actual test too lightly in light of the fact I breezed through the sample test and got 10/10. I have a bachelors in business and took two years of college level math but wasn't that good in Algebra b/c my two math teachers barely spoke a word of english. I fear that the practice questions they provide may be too easy from some of the thread's I see on here but as I said answers very so much its hard to tell...So again my long winded question is "SPECIFICALLY HOW DOES THE ACTUAL TEST COMPARE TO THE PRACTICE QUESTIONS AS FAR AS DIFFICULTY AND IF YOU BREEZED THROUGH THE PRACTICE QUESTIONS SHOULD YOU MAKE SURE TO STILL STUDY YOUR AS OFF"?

http://www.njatc.org/training/appren...mple_test.html

Also, I found this in a thread late last night and perhaps some people that find this thread in the future will find it helpful- It is an old study guide for IBEW that they used to give out apparently prior to the exam...Obviously I have no idea if the study guide is still relevant so take it for what it's worth and use it at your own risk.

http://tinyurl.com/lno65s

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Old 07-12-2011, 10:31 AM   #2
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O.K, I want to start off by saying that I have searched and read through many of the Thread's pertaining on what to expect and what to study on the IBEW - NJATC Aptitude Test and to be honest there are so many varying answers its hard to decipher what to really expect, so I apologize in advance for starting another thread on the aptitude test but I will try to be more specific with my question. I also realize that different unions have different test's but it seams like everyone basically gets the same set of practice questions in the packet you receive prior to the test consisting of 5 Math and 5 Reading. Obviously it's pretty easy to know what to expect as far as the Reading is concerned. I am actually taking this test today so it's too late for me to really gain anything from this thread but I am hoping that it will possibly help someone else out. So basically my question is how does the actual math portion of the test compare to the practice questions that are provided (which I will post a link below to them but am sure most know what I am referring to). Depending on the answers the post receives and what is actually on the test today when I take it: Perhaps I should put this under the complaint department and not the Union Topics due the the fact in the pamphlet it say's "IF you find some of the sample items to be difficult for you, you may want to review material that is similar to the sample items"....I Fear I may have taken the actual test too lightly in light of the fact I breezed through the sample test and got 10/10. I have a bachelors in business and took two years of college level math but wasn't that good in Algebra b/c my two math teachers barely spoke a word of english. I fear that the practice questions they provide may be too easy from some of the thread's I see on here but as I said answers very so much its hard to tell...So again my long winded question is "SPECIFICALLY HOW DOES THE ACTUAL TEST COMPARE TO THE PRACTICE QUESTIONS AS FAR AS DIFFICULTY AND IF YOU BREEZED THROUGH THE PRACTICE QUESTIONS SHOULD YOU MAKE SURE TO STILL STUDY YOUR AS OFF"?

http://www.njatc.org/training/appren...mple_test.html

Also, I found this in a thread late last night and perhaps some people that find this thread in the future will find it helpful- It is an old study guide for IBEW that they used to give out apparently prior to the exam...Obviously I have no idea if the study guide is still relevant so take it for what it's worth and use it at your own risk.

http://tinyurl.com/lno65s

As with any test you should put 100% into it so that you will breeze through it.

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So basically my question is how does the actual math portion of the test compare to the practice questions that are provided
The sample questions (from your link) are very accurate compared to most of the math section in the test I took last year.

If breeze through the sample questions and take the test seriously you should do just fine. I found out that I went a little overboard trying to refresh on my algebra, but it doesn't hurt to be prepared.

It's probably been mentioned in other threads, but one thing that might help is to bring a watch with a timer of some sort. I was talking to some of the others taking it who said they wished they knew the math portion was about over so they could not leave blanks. Also, if a question is taking too long, come back to it.
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my local gave me a sampe test booklet
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Harry- Thanks, that's a pic of her all doped up after an ACL surgery and always makes me laugh...and the same goes for yours.

Murphy- Well, I would say your lucky b/c we had no such practice test besides what I had posted which I guess I will touch on..

So, I just got back a little while ago from the test and pretty much aced the Reading...I know I got two wrong b/c I am an idiot- without giving away any exact questions as I know everything to do with the test appears to be super secret (what you scored/need to score, etc.) I just bring it up b.c I am mad at myself as I knew the right answer and just had a brain fart...realize what years apply to what century is all I am going to say. Then I had one blank- it "REALLLYYYYY" pisses me off though b/c I brought a watch with timer counting down the minutes and I KNOW 100% for sure that the guy shorted us 1 minute - I was heading back to change that answer and would have had enough time to do so as well as answer the one I didn't get a chance to do yet.

As for the math... I am not sure I did as well b/c I worked to slow and had six I didn't have answered with 30 seconds left so I just filled in C for all of them.

The guide I posted from a different thread honesty is pretty much useless...If that's what your guys test looked like it was a good deal easier back then. I suppose the guide is o.k if you want to touch up on elementary math.

IF YOU BREEZE THOUGH THE 10 QUESTION PRACTICE THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE FINE!!! It's kind of a trap b/c it makes you feel somewhat confident...I will say however you ABSOLUTELY need to know how to do those questions. My problem came in with the questions that were four letters representing numbers and you had to decipher what was a true statement out of the choices...without giving away the format ex: the product of blah and blah is greater than the product of blah and blah. I think I was studying too complex of Algebra and should have touched up more on the basics. I still don't know how to solve those problems I just mentioned as they were nowhere in the books I had from the library.

Here is another thread that helps to get a little better idea of some of the difficult Algebra- hope it helps someone else as I didn't see it til after....I wouldn't have quite divulged that much info but since it's already posted:

Failed Math Apptitude part of Test for IBEW entry

I know I prob won't get a straight answer to this since I can't seam to find anything posted on it: Can anyone tell me how many answer's you can get wrong and still pass. Also, is it a combined total or individual score. Meaning if you ace reading can you get more wrong on math or do you need a certain number right on each.

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Take a deep breath, you are way too worked up. The test has a minimum pass, but esp in these economic times, anyone with minimumn scores is unlikely to get in.

That minute will not matter, since your potential competitors did not have it either. Top whatever % of scores will more on to the interview.

If you did the best you could that is really all that matters. If you do nto get in, try again next time. Persistance can help.

Good luck

Looked at your last post again, as I remember there is a bottom line minimum (very low) for either section, and a combined that was a little higher, so yes one area might make up for another.

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I wouldn't worry about it too much, I thought I did horribly too but I passed mine and got an interview, but dont beat yourself up worrying about it. If something happened and you didn't get it, then you know what to work on so you can get one of those top scores.


There were several people who didn't finish but they were there on interview day

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Hey so I'm taking the NJATC tech math course to refresh myself on my math, is the test going to be anything like the NJATC tech math course/tests? Has anyone else taken this? Ive only had a month to refresh so not sure how much of it I'll remember, is there any one type of math that you really need to know? Is it basic algebra or does it get into Boolean algebra and lgorhythms and whatnot? I just want to know what specifically I need to touch up on so I don't fail this test, as I'm not exactly a math wiz.
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Here is the best advice I can give you

1. Bring a wristwatch and watch the time. I got no warning, and missed the last 8.

2. Look at the questions and start doing the ones you KNOW you can do quick and correct first. Try to get the hard stuff later if you miss it, most likely you were going to get it wrong anyway. In order for you to do this though, you must study a bit and determine what you are good at, and what you have trouble with as to identify your strengh and weakness.

3. Grab Algebra for Dummies from your local library. If you are not a member of the library go sign up it takes literally 2 minutes. Study all the basic principals of Algebra. What you will see will probably be different from what I saw on the test, but knowing all the basics sets you up for succcess.

My test went in this order.

Finding patterns in a number sequence.
solving equations with variables.
solving more complex (fractions, powers, distributive property, FOIL) equations with variables.
And finally graphing, which I peronally did not have enough time to get to, but still passed.

You should not have to study for the reading. Long passage, about 10 questions per passage, and 3 or 4 passages. The well known hint on that section is read the questions first, and then read the passage so you know what to look for. Any remotely smart person will ace this section and make up for their bad math score. Almost everyone in my test class did not finish the math. One person claimed to, but I sat next to her, and she was done in like 8 minutes, which is simply impossible. She obviously guessed and had no clue what she was looking at.

Find any standardized test geared for a highschool student if you want a study guide, but Algebra for Dummies covers everything you need to know, and the book is very easy to take in.
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Hey I'm about to take my aptitude test and am preparing by taking the NJATC tech math course. To be honest, it's a bit hard, does anyone know how hard the math on the aptitude test is relative to the NJATC tech math course?
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Hey I'm about to take my aptitude test and am preparing by taking the NJATC tech math course. To be honest, it's a bit hard, does anyone know how hard the math on the aptitude test is relative to the NJATC tech math course?
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I wouldn't worry about it too much, I thought I did horribly too but I passed mine and got an interview, but dont beat yourself up worrying about it. If something happened and you didn't get it, then you know what to work on so you can get one of those top scores.


There were several people who didn't finish but they were there on interview day

Well, I guess you were right. I was confident I got all the ones I answered right but thought maybe I wouldn't do well because I had six to go with 30 seconds left...answered C for all of them. I must have done o.k because I just got the letter stating that I passed and will be receiving something eventually with my interview date/time. To be honest I barely studied for the test, but I do suggest you brush up on your math if your getting set to take it. Just wonder how long until I interview, I am really anxious now!!!!
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CHECK OUT MY POST IN THE OTHER FORUM
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I took the test a week ago, and the practice questions are not even close to the actual math questions on the practice test. They are Formulas where you need to break down the given formula down to it's simplest form. On my test I think there was about 3 like that and the rest was plug in play, where they give you a=5, b=4, and x=10. Don't forget the rules of multiplication. like 10r * 5r = 50r^2 ( 50r squared). Most of the question's I had was like 3(12-7r^2)(10r-5) . The practice question's is just examples of what TYPE of questions you may embark on in the test. They are harder than the examples. TIME CONSUMING, so work fast. you can do the math and figure 33 questions and 41 minutes gives you about 1.41 min/sec per Q' !!!!!
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Are the questions multiple choice?
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Yes, the test is multiple choice but filling the test answers out in a TIMELY FASHION THOUGH!
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Yes, the test is multiple choice but filling the test answers out in a TIMELY FASHION THOUGH!
Yah I was looking at the time limits and it was like 45 minutes to finish 35 problems. I can do the math but I'm not super quick at doing so, that's what I'm worried about. I wonder why they have such short time limits.
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If you need extra help, click on my name and check out my other posts. There you will find links to the same type of math questions that I encountered, they had practice questions and worksheets that you can print plus the answers, also the purple math link is a good resource in how to work through them. I can't stress that if you feel confident that you can do the math, that this a lone is not enough for the time allotted . Study as hard as you can and try to work through the worksheets as fast as you can, then do it over and over till you do the hardest ones in a minute and a half. I hope this helps
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Curious if you ever had your interview yet and how you did? I like you wasn't very confident of the test when I took it back in August. I am in Oregon but it sounds like the test is very similar and I think I guessed on the last 4 or 5 because I ran out of time, didn't matter I couldn't remember graphing anyways. Passed anyways and got my chance to Interview. Must of done alright because im in the program now just started this week. Hope you got in as well. In my area we have a lot of Journeyman retiring and a few large projects going on so they are taking in a lot people.
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I didn't make the cut. There was 35 people that applied and only 6 was taken. That's ok better luck next time. At the time I posted about the testing the mill I worked at shut the doors. We got the trade act, and I am now in college. I am going for my AA degree in electrical engineering. Figured why not have that knowledge under my belt with all the rest too! Anyway, congrats, and study your butt off, it will help you down the road. Oregon is tough, I was in the program back in 2005 but had to drop out to move.
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Im currently preparing for an apprenticeship application opening on July 2nd (which is right around the corner) I heard about the event late and im fumbling around trying to prepare in time. ...(starting from nothing) So far i have just acquired my GED. (really starting from nothing!!) Now im about to register complete the NJATC Math Tech Course. My question is how fast can i complete this course? I've read that you have 4months to complete it at your own pace but but can i fly through and complete the test in a week? Thank you for any info.

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