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Why are you BADGERING me?
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11-03-2009, 12:54 PM
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Now thats a new one.
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11-03-2009, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by rewire
are badgers part of the rodent family |
As an IBEW member I am going to tell you something. You are DEFINITELY not speaking for all of us, instead you are giving us a bad name. If you are just going to sling insults instead of debating like an adult and gentleman, why not give up while you can?
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11-03-2009, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rewire
are badgers part of the rodent family |
No, they're part of the Weasel family.
A guess someone in the union can't be bothered to look up facts as it's not part of their job and would be 'beneath them'.
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11-03-2009, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 480sparky
No, they're part of the Weasel family.
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11-03-2009, 01:11 PM
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No offence was intended, I was just pointing out the facts  ..... something certain folks here choose to ignore. I won't mention any names as I think we all know who that is. 
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11-03-2009, 01:14 PM
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No offence was intended,
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I know, it's all good, just struck me as kind of funny. 
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11-03-2009, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 480sparky
No, they're part of the Weasel family.
A guess someone in the union can't be bothered to look up facts as it's not part of their job and would be 'beneath them'.
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actually I knew that a people pleasing RAT would offer up answer in hopes of impressing someone who would tell them what a good little RAT they were for going after the big mean union guy,Its called working smarter
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11-03-2009, 02:19 PM
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actually I knew that a people pleasing RAT would offer up answer in hopes of impressing someone who would tell them what a good little RAT they were for going after the big mean union guy,Its called working smarter |
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11-03-2009, 02:20 PM
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actually I knew that a people pleasing RAT would offer up answer in hopes of impressing someone who would tell them what a good little RAT they were for going after the big mean union guy,Its called working smarter |
Every time you use that word you lower the union to the level of scum and put yourself in the realm of a bigot.
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11-03-2009, 02:29 PM
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actually I knew that a people pleasing RAT would offer up answer in hopes of impressing someone who would tell them what a good little RAT they were for going after the big mean union guy,Its called working smarter |
Actually, you didn't. You just made that up to try to make yourself look smarter that you really are.
And right now, you ain't lookin' so smart.
BTW, is this the 'legacy' you're asking about?
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11-03-2009, 02:38 PM
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Have you noticed, lately, that the word LEGACY has been portrayed in a BAD LIGHT? What do you think that LEGACY means?...I have my thoughts...what are yours?
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To most people around the country the word "Legacy" symbolizes the extra $2,000+ that each American car costs just to pay off the huge pensions of the rich union members who performed their factory job by pressed a button or screwed on a panel.
Because of those legacy costs the hard working American taxpayer has to bail out the American car companies to the tune of many billions of dollars.
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11-03-2009, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 480sparky
Actually, you didn't. You just made that up to try to make yourself look smarter that you really are.
And right now, you ain't lookin' so smart.
BTW, is this the 'legacy' you're asking about?
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got you to do the heavy lifting
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11-03-2009, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by EDM
To most people around the country the word "Legacy" symbolizes the extra $2,000+ that each American car costs just to pay off the huge pensions of the rich union members who performed their factory job by pressed a button or screwed on a panel.
Because of those legacy costs the hard working American taxpayer has to bail out the American car companies to the tune of many billions of dollars.
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Ford didn't need bailed out and actually posted a profit
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11-03-2009, 03:08 PM
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I kinda hate taken one thats been teed up
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11-03-2009, 03:10 PM
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Legacy
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Originally Posted by EDM
To most people around the country the word "Legacy" symbolizes the extra $2,000+ that each American car costs just to pay off the huge pensions of the rich union members who performed their factory job by pressed a button or screwed on a panel.
Because of those legacy costs the hard working American taxpayer has to bail out the American car companies to the tune of many billions of dollars.
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It used to be that the auto company held some money back, a little for each vehicle, just as they do for possible warranty repairs. There was a plan and it seemed to work. As the pot grew it got to be too much of a temptation not to tap into. The companies started calling the SAVED MONEY for pensions as part of their liquid assets, so to speak. With government approval they were able to carry less and less of a percentage, balance to cover future pensioners, just as the banks do as far as their percentage of assets to cover what we all save.
The auto companies keep doing this and now the time has come to pay up...cover their pensioners and they spent the money, already.
I don't quite see why you say it is the worker's fault.
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11-03-2009, 03:18 PM
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At least my facts are straight.... instead of spewing nonsense. 
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11-03-2009, 03:25 PM
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Ford didn't need bailed out and actually posted a profit
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What is your point? I answered the man's question. It seems like you are trying to refute something, but you failed at even making a literate response.
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11-03-2009, 03:28 PM
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It used to be that the auto company held some money back, a little for each vehicle, just as they do for possible warranty repairs. There was a plan and it seemed to work. As the pot grew it got to be too much of a temptation not to tap into. The companies started calling the SAVED MONEY for pensions as part of their liquid assets, so to speak. With government approval they were able to carry less and less of a percentage, balance to cover future pensioners, just as the banks do as far as their percentage of assets to cover what we all save.
The auto companies keep doing this and now the time has come to pay up...cover their pensioners and they spent the money, already.
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So what you are saying is that the American car companies can't afford to pay off the pensions with all the high labor rates, correct? Well then it seems like it's time to lower those rates, correct?
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I don't quite see why you say it is the worker's fault.
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Because the workers, who extort high rates thru force and thuggery, are eating up all the money, making American cars cost so much and lowering their sales.
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11-03-2009, 03:44 PM
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So what you are saying is that the American car companies can't afford to pay off the pensions with all the high labor rates, correct? Well then it seems like it's time to lower those rates, correct?
Because the workers, who extort high rates thru force and thuggery, are eating up all the money, making American cars cost so much and lowering their sales.
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As far as I know the average auto worker makes about $60,000.00 a year. They are working ten hour days with many of them working with pain from carpel tunnel , and various other injuries that have occurred on the job. It takes a good wage to get people to show up every day and to work under the conditions that most of us do.
And by the way , does 60k sound excessive to you. If it does, maybe should look for another line of work.
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