jimmy21

unemployment runs out eventually. So you get:
money towards unemployment
money towards pension
money towards health insurance
extra money in your pocket, since a paycheck is more than unemployment

Mrmanly

Uh, how about the contractor that needs extra help in the short term to get the job done so they will have a satisfied customer?

The contractor will remember your turndown next time they need someone and will remember a union member that helps them out when they ask for it.

running dummy

No they won't.

In my experience a company has no idea who passed up the call.

If you show up and do a good job they will possibly remember on the next call. They couldn't keep you on even if they wanted to. Short call rules.

brian john

So instead, they can't get help when they need it, they suffer and pay late performance penalties on the job, the EC explains the situation to the GC, the GC says UNIONS STINK, next time I’ll hire reliable open shop contractors, finish the job on time and save money. The EC thinks, hell can't get help when I need it because some fools would rather collect UE in lieu of earning a decent wage, SCREW THE UNION, I'll open a double breasted shop, or worse goes out of business and an open shop fills the void.



Your explanation is typical, old school, let’s destroy the union mentality, because of the evil contractors.

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s.kelly

Brian, I am not sure what you are reading there, but I do not see that in running dummy's explanation.

It looks to me like a clarification of the rules from his local. The rules here are different. In my experience short call rules are only to help everyone get a share of the short call work that wants it, not to penalize the contractor in any way.

Most times that should not make any difference to the contractor.

If their rules say they cannot keep someone longer than the short call terms, that certainly does not mean the contractor cannot place another short call. Maybe not ideal to the contractor, but certainly not keeping someone from getting manpower when they need it.

Loose Neutral

In our local a short term is just that 2 weeks. The contractor usually uses this when he only has a small job or wrapping up a job and doesn't need long term help. It benefits the contractor and the journeyman. Our short term calls just roll thru the regular list and they just pick up where they left off on the last short call.

brian john

After rereading his post, I believe you are RIGHT,

My apologies to Running Dummy, seems I may have been slightly a fast dolt.

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running dummy

I could have worded my post differently, or clarified more.

I have done a few short calls and worked hard for the contractor.

I've also worked with a handful of really good electricians who were on a short call and some really terrible ones with an attitude similar to Brian's post. Both types were gone in two weeks.

I feel that as a contractor they use short calls as extra bodies. To expect MORE than that from EVERY short call would be foolish. They just aren't as invested in the company or the job.

My opinion.

brian john

As I noted earlier I know a comapny that took two short calls and called the hall to extend their call, kept one for 2.5 years. But each local handles this differently.
Some might call the two excellent workers brown nosers.

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