Gompers

Okay fella's simple questions on how union members take a stance on union issues.
moderators gonna love this one! No I'm not challenging, just a poll.





Question ONE:

"Would you work book two with guys out on book one"?

Scenario:
Your a brother, a traveling member, a guy down on his luck. You sign the book at a neighboring union. You get job call working overtime, base pay is way above your home locals standard wage + OT. Work this good life for three months, the local union now has members onbook one - and your on book two.
You have been out a LONG TIME, family enjoys the checks you end home weekly.

What do you do?

RIVETER

I consider myself a pretty good union man. If I got a job off of the number two book and the number one book was empty...I'd be okay with that. If book #1 , then, became empty, I would not quit.I still am a good union man but I recall when I was on construction...Off for six months and not one call asking how I was doing.

brian john

My brother is not union, my sister was.

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miller_elex

You mean, give a job up to a professional benchwarmer or what are you trying to say? I don't feel obligated to people who treat the hall like a welfare office to free unemployment until a cherry comes along to pick.

Who I do feel obligated to, is people who show up on time every day and work hard. The guy who says, 'You can't see it from my house,' I can't see him from my house either.

There are alot of guys off work now for months, who give a sh1t, who want to work. These guys who want to work, are waiting on the benchwarmers who get first pick when the jobs recover.

Your question does not matter. There is no work going to Book 2 right now anywhere. Point is moot.

wildleg

troll

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drsparky

I don't care about the back story. If I am a guest in a local on book two and now people are on book one, I resign. It is called having integrity.

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sparky970

I think it's fine, as long as the book 1 hand was not laid off from the job your working, then your a douche.

william1978

Where is this poll you speak of?

william1978

Aslong as I was working and feeding my family I wouldn't give two craps who was on the books. The cream always rise to the top.

brian john

Or saving your neck and possibly your tires.

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Loose Neutral

When book one starts to build up, the B.A. should clear out book two.

wwilson174

Some days it is easy to see which of the "union contractors" are really anti- union! BillW.

user5941

You have to lay off book 2 first then layoff book 1 unless the guy on book 2 is using special skills and nobody on book 1 can replace him. When I worked book 2 I would always bow out gracefully when book 1 had hands that needed work after all I was a quest in another local.

regieleeroth

Tough to know when Book 1 hands are off, do you call the hall every week? Which makes sense in a small local, but one that has a big geographic area with several satellite books, well....

Many locals have lost lawsuits, so they and others have instituted a set number of hours a tramp has to reach, before PRESTO, he is now Book 1 status. If he chooses to be.

sparky970

Excellent point, is it a travelers responsibility to call the hall each day to make sure a book 1 hand wasn't laid off from another job in the local? Even it he or she was, would they fill your position as a book 2 hand on your job if you asked for an ROF?

user5941

Don't worry the local hands will let you know when another job has just laid off hands.They will also let you know if it is time for you to go or if it is ok for you to stay.

miller_elex

Yah, if the work is slow, only the shoppies will have jobs. The shoppies want whats best for the contractor, and will send the slowest man home, doesn't matter where he is from.

brian john

And in the long run this is most likely best, if you keep bodies around without enough work, no matter how good the electrician sooner or later the EC will have to do something, fold, go bankrupt or sign the book himself.

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al13nw4r3LC76

We tried to get reverse layoff in our contract. Example: Contractors would have to lay off all book 2's before book 1's could be laid off. Our contract went before the CIR and nothing was changed as far as that language is concerned. It just says "Contractors shall give preference to Book 1 members" right now. I was working on a job where there was a book 2 hand, the foreman/GF wanted to keep him and lay off some others how ever he drug up as soon as he heard of them laying off book 1's. That is the right thing to do. IMO

miller_elex

There are all kinds of Book 2's in this local, that are locals but live just outside the boundary of the local, so they have to sign book 2, even though they worked here years and years and did their apprenticeship here.

Add to that, the Book 2 guys, who won't see a call for a long time, but moved here from out of state with their wife or something. Sure, they are book 1 guys somewhere else, but now their family is here too. What about these guys, who are capable of running jobs, but now have to work non-union because the agent told them to get lost.

One way or another, people have to work. A guy who was a top-notch foreman in another local isn't going to sit on his hands making parts deliveries for the supply house just because he moved to a new town and doesn't want to take his brother's bread. That sh1t actually sounds retarded, and the guy who believes it, he's a retard too.