007

411 the guy was working a jib that completed and was sent to the hall the BA tells him he will assign him to a new contractor as soon as one needs an apprentice. Two weeks go buy and nothing. He calls the BA who says mo openings and to sit tight.four weeks go buy and still nothing. After six weeks he calls a few contractors and asks if they need apprentices and one says yes he could work him . He calls the BA and tells him about the contractor and asks to be assigned. The BA tears into him over solicitoing his own wok.a few days latter he calla about the job and the BA says thecintractor did not want him and he would not be assigned until after he appeared before the E board . At the biard meeting they say he is being dropped necauseof bad reports and his poor attitude.hr asks to see the reportsbut is denied . He sought legal advice but not being indentured they were within thir right rodeo him.

sbrn33

That's not what he said at all.

Are you saying only union guys are qualified? If you are that is a very ignorant statement from someone that doesn't know any other way other than the union way. Which by the way it sounds isn't working out so well right now.

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brian john

No, he's just seems to enjoy stirring the pot.

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jimmy21

If one of the qualifications of being a part of that local was a license and they were not licensed then they did not meet the qualifications. That is what I meant. I'm not talking about their skills as an electrician

007

Does any local have such a requirement?

jimmy21

i think they all have some sort of requirement

T-Bart

So he broke one of the union bylaws and had a bunch of bad work reports so they let him loose and your suggesting this happens to everyone? Still sounds like bull****.

007

They claimed bad reports but never produced any they starved him out and then found a way to drop him and yes I think this is SOP

brian john

Every local operates differently. Being from DC I can tell you we hear horror stories (well maybe not horror but negative stories) about Baltimore.

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chris856

Our local is just as happy taking in good foreman and service guys as they are contractors. If you have a state license you will not have to go through the apprenticeship as long as you can pass what I hear is a straightfoward hands on test.

I have worked with a lot of organized guys that have done just fine.

It doesn't sound like every local has the same attitude as ours but I also don't think we are the only ones either.

T-Bart

Or it could be that your friend sucks.

brian john

Local 26 is very active in recruiting new members and new contractors, now I would think that when there are men on the bench recruiting new members may not be priority one. But we took quite a few new apprentices this year, so when times improve we will have a full contingency of workers.

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eejack

The issue isn't whether or not your friend exists, the issue is why do you hate unions so much as to fabricate his existence. In my brief time here you have an amazing array of people you 'know' who had 'experiences' and yet none of them show unions in a good light.

It is *never* SOP to starve out an potential member. Quite frankly if you are not up to standard they are not at all subtle about letting you go. No passive aggressive sneaky schtuff. You get a call, you are out.

So really, to get to the meat of the matter, is it jealousy? Maybe jilted at the alter? Did you get one of those calls? Paid to post?

What embittered 007 so much?

A mystery without an answer I suspect.

007

could be, but all ten guys getting the shaft even those odds would not play in Vegas.

007

So anyone who posts negatively about the union is a bitter jealous jilted at the alter paid poster. I have no axe to grind nor do I have any skin in the game I am just posting the truth of what someone I know experienced is this SOP for the union well all I know is with a rapidly declining share of the market the union is desperate to gain contractors even to the point of trying to push "card check" which would do away with secret ballot. With many of thier members sitting the bench organizing more men is not in thier best interest.

jimmy21

All 10 might not have had licenses if the shop and the state didn't require it. I've heard virgina for example has a state license but isn't required by the state. If the union did require it, the all the electricians would be out the door. It sounds like this one guy was a poor worker and didn't even have enough hours to take a journeymans exam

007

but here is the rub, they were asked to sign cards to organize theuy thought they were being organized as it turned out it was just thier employer. I know some were dropped because they had been emploed less than a year with this employer.

Celtic

...probably more than likely a State requirement to be recognized .
NJ has a "Qualified Journeyman" card.

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jimmy21

it sounds like they WERE organized. They just didn't meet the qualifications of a journeyman and therefor had to join the apprenticeship program. Sounds like some of them thought this was beneath them and parted ways

HARRY304E

I think so.

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