unionize! - Page 5 - Electrician Talk - Professional Electrical Contractors Forum

brian john · 07-03-2009, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westernexplorer

If you think so, just go down sign up for your bailout check, then you find out your not the same......no money for you or my father.....but they sure have plenty for the Banks, Insurance Companies, Big Auto Companies.....I thought you were smarter than that, Brian John...

I do not want the money and I was not for the bail outs, Bush and Big "O" pushed that crap I was all for letting them fail. You can't make it, you can go the way of whip makers. Look at Amtrak there is a bail out success. NOT.

Quote:

By the way, Obama is not my man, this country has not had a decent President since before you or me. The Republa-Crats are screwing this country up good. Just ask them, when either party is in power, it's always the other parties fault.....lol

And now we finally agree.

Minuteman · 07-03-2009, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toronto Sparky

There were falsehoods?
Other than the $37 / hr thing.. Any Licensed trades person in North America settle that low?
Minimum wage should be at least $15 /hr But Walmart would board up the doors.

Of course one could head into the auto sector where one gets $30 +/ hr unskilled labour..

These days anyone that took the time to be trained deserves to be clearing a grand a week. (Week being 37.5 hrs)
All said and done.. Union is the way to spend your life..

Raise minimum wage to $15, make it $20, it won't hurt Walmart one little bit. They will just adjust their prices to offset the wage increase. McDonald's will advertise their new $5.99 "value" menu. Won't be a year, and everyone will be crying about raising it again.

westernexplorer · 07-03-2009, 11:06 AM

Quote: Brian John
And now we finally agree

How about that........ Have a good 4th of July......

brian john · 07-03-2009, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minuteman

Raise minimum wage to $15, make it $20, it won't hurt Walmart one little bit. They will just adjust their prices to offset the wage increase. McDonald's will advertise their new $5.99 "value" menu. Won't be a year, and everyone will be crying about raising it again.

And that is basic economics, something many miss in the rush to help the poor.

Make India self dependent, which was the cry for years of do gooders, now that they are we are losing jobs to them and worry that their pollution will make anything we did pale in comparison. Can mess with mother and economics with false infusion of help. Please read Mr. Big "O"

Minuteman · 07-03-2009, 11:38 AM

Want to hurt Walmart? Make a law that gives Mom & Pop businesses an advantage, where the little guy gets a financial break.

westernexplorer · 07-03-2009, 12:00 PM

Vice President Cheney said during his term, "Reagan, Proved Deficiet's don't matter....." The supply siders said if we just cut taxes on the rich and business the economic activity it would creat would fill the US Treasury and we could pay down the US debt and straighten the country out.......Boy that really happened......NOT. Yet another Snake Oil Saleman....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRZUaW0HwCM

Bob Badger · 07-03-2009, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by electricalperson

can somebody explain to me why someone would think the union is bad?

So EP ............ is this thread all you hoped for?

You might as well ask about abortion, gay marriage or which is the true religion.

oldman · 07-03-2009, 12:53 PM

hey, i just want westernexplorer to come up with another phrase besides "snake oil salesman"....he's hung his hat on it too many times...

Minuteman · 07-03-2009, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Badger

So EP ............ is this thread all you hoped for?

You might as well ask about abortion, gay marriage or which is the true religion.

Yeah, you trying to start a fight?

knowshorts · 07-03-2009, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LawnGuyLandSparky

One more question, who is going to pull us out of this recession/depression workers? or business that risk capital to grow?

Who CAUSED it? Not us peons that's for sure. Who SHOULD pay?

Dumb ass people who thought they were entitled and over extended their credit. A lot of people thought they could take their equity and it was theirs, they didn't have to pay it back. Can you blame the banks, not really, they found a market to make money off of stupid people.

westernexplorer · 07-03-2009, 01:17 PM

LOL....Ha..Ha..Ha. I guess I could call them Coporate Hacks, Con-Men, White Collar criminals, Robber Baron's, Blue Bloods or Coporate Parasites.....LOL

knowshorts · 07-03-2009, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westernexplorer

Your shoveling again.....LOL. The Oil companies, big insurance, and the list goes on are in COLUSION all the time..... I'm sorry, the Oil Companies, investigated themselves and found they didn't fix the price of gasoline....and Congress and the President said if you say so....another campaign contribution please...?

When oil companies were posting record profits and everyone was bitching, did anyone in the media ever wonder why? If their margins stayed the same, because of their costs, of coarse their profits would increase.

Before the downturn, a real estate agent friends' profits (income) went up. She didn't have to do a thing. She stayed at 3%. A waitress friend had her profits (income) increase. She didn't have to do a thing. Food prices went up. The girl who cuts my hair, her profits (income) went up. Her supplies increased in cost. When copper and steel prices were sky high, my profits went up substantially. Yet as a percentage, they stayed the same.

westernexplorer · 07-03-2009, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knowshorts

Can you blame the banks, not really, they found a market to make money off of stupid people.

Have you lost your mind...? Ofcourse the Banks are to blame. They put the entire nation at risk and they were able to do that, because of de-regulation under the watchful eyes of both political parties. I'm glad you enjoy the results of the coporate shills actions.

We once lived through this stuff before, it was called the "Gilded Age" Almost NO regulation on business or finanace. It resulted in the collapse of our economy, called the Great Depression..... But I guess that didn't happen in your world, almost like the Holocaust not happening in the tiny mind of the President of Iran.....LOL.

brian john · 07-03-2009, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westernexplorer

Have you lost your mind...? Ofcourse the Banks are to blame. They put the entire nation at risk and they were able to do that, because of de-regulation under the watchful eyes of both political parties. I'm glad you enjoy the results of the coporate shills actions.

With the blessing of congress and all presidents since the peanut man.

westernexplorer · 07-03-2009, 02:49 PM

Brian John,
We agree AGAIN.......that is twice in one day.....This could be dangerous......LOL.....

retired 7373 · 07-04-2009, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minuteman

to many members, you be will view upon as an outsider, you didn't go through "the program" so, you are not a real brother. If you should join, many will say that you bought your ticket. Some may even accuse you of taking a brothers job, should the books start getting a of of names on it.
Oh, and yes, there will be many that will cast dispersions upon you training and or methods.

You will have to learn how to work slower, how to whine about conditions, and most importantly - that you never go back to work from break before the steward does!

lol-lol-lol-lol-lol

Toronto Sparky · 07-05-2009, 02:17 AM

Being Union gives you a fair piece of the pie.. However be prepared to be out of work of long periods at a time.. Overall (long term) Your life will be better being union.
Remember one of the biggest (long term) cost in life tends to be medical.

At the same time if you are a gung ho willing to go out of your way for your employer type of guy, full time (Lifetime) non-union may be the way to go.
Just be careful they don't rope you over the coals. (any successful contractor can afford at least $25 - $30 / hr. but normally without benefits)

brian john · 07-05-2009, 06:51 AM

[quote=Toronto Sparky;97519]Being Union gives you a fair piece of the pie..

Quote:

I hate when anybody says that WHAT TO HELL IS FAIR?

[qquote]However be prepared to be out of work of long periods at a time.. Overall (long term) Your life will be better being union.

I have missed one day in 38 years.

Quote:

Remember one of the biggest (long term) cost in life tends to be medical.

And can bankrupt you if you are not protected. I recently read we spend 90% of our life time medical cost in the last 2 years of life.

Quote:

At the same time if you are a gung ho willing to go out of your way for your employer type of guy, full time (Lifetime) non-union may be the way to go.
Just be careful they don't rope you over the coals. (any successful contractor can afford at least $25 - $30 / hr. but normally without benefits)

I think this and the regular employment issue are area specific in most big cities IMO union is the way to go depending on their strength in your area.

retired 7373 · 07-05-2009, 10:15 AM

[quote=brian john;97540]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toronto Sparky

Being Union gives you a fair piece of the pie..

I have missed one day in 38 years.

And can bankrupt you if you are not protected. I recently read we spend 90% of our life time medical cost in the last 2 years of life.

I think this and the regular employment issue are area specific in most big cities IMO union is the way to go depending on their strength in your area.

I am retired on medical disability. I was a member of the IBEW for 32 years.
I have had some periods of unemployment. I have always kept the health insurance. I receive $1,990.00 a month from socal security disability. I receive $1,050.00 a month from the IBEW.I receive $138.00 a month from the IBEW , what this is for I do not know. I have $787,000.00 in my personal retirement that contractors contributed so much for each hour worked.
Being on disability the IBEW has paid my health insurance for the last year, given me $6,500.00 in money over 6 months. Two of my prescriptions for my lungs cost about $16,000.00 a month. Unless you are a personal friend of a non union contractor you will get kicked to the curb if you slow down any at all. Being union is not perfect because it involves people, but I'm alot better off by being union and I have no regrets. What is so wrong about good pay and benefits and working conditions.

Bob Badger · 07-05-2009, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retired 7373

Unless you are a personal friend of a non union contractor you will get kicked to th curb if you low down any at all.

That is such a load of crap to say as a blanket statement.

Sure it can happen, just like the union screws some workers as well.

Neither is perfect and both can have a-holes running things.