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Old 03-19-2017, 02:01 PM   #101
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This is just a total bull**** post. Total outright lies in just about every paragraph.

That being said I would tell the snowflake to at least tough it out for a year with the union gig.
Maybe where you live there is BS in his paragraphs but it is closer to my experience than not.

As for the snowflake, you can't tell in two days if a new GF is worth the time investment let alone a Union job.
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:01 PM   #102
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Maybe where you live there is BS in his paragraphs but it is closer to my experience than not.

As for the snowflake, you can't tell in two days if a new GF is worth the time investment let alone a Union job.
This is what cracks me up. You guys honestly think a union job is more rewarding than a job where the contractor actually cares about you and your family.
This is how brainwashed you guys are. You talk all proud and then go collect unemployment for as long as you can.
Hey look at me I am the best electrician ever. I have training and experience.
I am feeding my family on unemployment.
If your employers cared you would be working.
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:17 PM   #104
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I've never been in or near a union, but,(as I understand it) if you're a poor or lazy etc. electrician you sit at the hall with no job b/c no one wants you.
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All I know is I am happy and proud as a clam that my son is in and meshing quite well with the crew at the union. And thanks to his eyes and suntan, they don't even realize he is half F'n haole..........
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:58 PM   #106
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This is what cracks me up. You guys honestly think a union job is more rewarding than a job where the contractor actually cares about you and your family.
I've been in two non Union shops as a salt and neither one treated their guys better than dirt.

One of my Uncle's shop was and is non Union and the staff are treated very well but i look at that as an exception, not a rule.

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This is how brainwashed you guys are. You talk all proud and then go collect unemployment for as long as you can.
I was only laid off once and it was while I put a second story on my house.

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Hey look at me I am the best electrician ever. I have training and experience.
What part makes you mad the training or the experience?

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I am feeding my family on unemployment.
Like I said this wasn't true for me or any of my Unionized family members.
This is why I say maybe that is what it's like in your area.

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If your employers cared you would be working.
I was always working, I had a second job so I really didn't want more than 45 hours a week or I could have had OT more often. More often than not i was making over scale and had additional benefits from the companies I worked for. My Union experience was a good one. I was able to retire very early and debt free at that. I've been retired for 8 years now and still haven't started my Union pension, I don't need to.
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This is what cracks me up. You guys honestly think a union job is more rewarding than a job where the contractor actually cares about you and your family.
I've been in two non Union shops as a salt and neither one treated their guys better than dirt.

One of my Uncle's shop was and is non Union and the staff are treated very well but i look at that as an exception, not a rule.

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This is how brainwashed you guys are. You talk all proud and then go collect unemployment for as long as you can.
I was only laid off once and it was while I put a second story on my house.

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Hey look at me I am the best electrician ever. I have training and experience.
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I am feeding my family on unemployment.
Like I said this wasn't true for me or any of my Unionized family members.
This is why I say maybe that is what it's like in your area.

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If your employers cared you would be working.
I was always working, I had a second job so I really didn't want more than 45 hours a week or I could have had OT more often. More often than not i was making over scale and had additional benefits from the companies I worked for. My Union experience was a good one. I was able to retire very early and debt free at that. I've been retired for 8 years now and still haven't started my Union pension, I don't need to.
That's great glad you were able to retire brother .
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That's great glad you were able to retire brother .
Thanks!

The Union has been very good to me and to many members of my family.
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Thanks!

The Union has been very good to me and to many members of my family.
I am glad it has been, and I know many guys that feel the same way, one of my best friends is two years out from full retirement at local 332 in San Jose.

But non-union has been good to me too, better than my days in the union.

Wanting to quit the union after 2 days is kinda dumb, but maybe it isn't. I would advise someone to stick it out for at least a month, because you have a lot of emotions mixed up with the guys you left behind, maybe even a great employer.

I get it that a lot of you had rough outings with open shops, but that doesn't make open shops full of **** ups and run by assholes, in fact from my days in the union I ran into just as much of the same.

One is only better than the other when you believe it is, and that is perfectly okay.

I have always been compensated at or above scale, the only thing I was never quite on par with was the level of benefits, although my $30k after a year of PW work in my IRA was pretty bad ass.... Nothing that the company could take from me if I no longer agreed with their political or idealogical notions.

The two sides won't stop fighting, which may be a good thing, as long as they realize the battle just bolsters the trade in general. But quit thinking I am less than you in any way because I am not a union member, that I treat my employees like ****, that I only look for my own interests.... that is an insult to anyone you have ever worked for, union or not.

Great companies and great employees go hand in hand and exist in a symbiotic relationship, the world is full of both, union and non-union. It is impossible for one to exist without the other for a good period of time.
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Okay so I know many of you will tell me to stick this out. But I made my mind up and wanna go back to my old non Union job, this isn't for me . What's the best possible way to do this
Hey HD5, since your post got bumped to the top after a year, would you care to let us know what happened with your career? I saw you posting about breaking into industrial...?
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Hey HD5, since your post got bumped to the top after a year, would you care to let us know what happened with your career? I saw you posting about breaking into industrial...?
Yea iv been taking many classes to gain knowledge in industrial maintenance. Many of my friends went that route and they make a pretty good penny. I'm enrolled to attend community college for electrical engineering tech. I think it was a good route to leave the union, my friend who's in the union for the past 3 years has literally been di*ked around. Oh will see what we can do about promoting you to the apprenticeship program. They actually cut his wages and he became a UA . So your telling me you get less pay when you get promoted? Haha okay that makes sense. After reading this post today I really realized you Union guys are so stuck up. I did a adult thing and said I wanted to quit if it means someone else can take my spot. Eh whatever , I'm doing good though . Better than my friend who's in the union...
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I don't know, maybe they did, but so what? Watching a bunch of videos you're indifferent to is a pretty standard aspect of sitting through a union initiation. At mine we watched a segment from Matewan.

All I'm saying is that if the OP is so sure that he's never going back to the union even after they admitted him, why does he need "advice" on leaving? What is he expecting to hear? It's not rocket science. Either he phones up the hall and tells them he's done or he just stops showing up till they get the picture. It's not like he's locked in a Soviet gulag on an island and needs information on how to dig his way out using cutlery stolen from the dining hall and then construct a boat.
someones been watching "McGuyver'
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Yea iv been taking many classes to gain knowledge in industrial maintenance. Many of my friends went that route and they make a pretty good penny. I'm enrolled to attend community college for electrical engineering tech. I think it was a good route to leave the union, my friend who's in the union for the past 3 years has literally been di*ked around. Oh will see what we can do about promoting you to the apprenticeship program. They actually cut his wages and he became a UA . So your telling me you get less pay when you get promoted? Haha okay that makes sense. After reading this post today I really realized you Union guys are so stuck up. I did a adult thing and said I wanted to quit if it means someone else can take my spot. Eh whatever , I'm doing good though . Better than my friend who's in the union...
Me stuck up? I'm a maintenance electrician at a steel mill, more or less doing what you say you want to do. I got a cert through a CC, got recruited by the company I work for and paid to relocate. It is indeed true that you can make a damn good living but it has its own drawbacks, same as anything (getting ready to go in for graveyard shift right now, speaking of drawbacks). Anyways, I was just curious because someone bumped your thread and I happened to see you posting in the industrial forum.

And I'll tell you what though, I'm a member of a union too which is not an electrician's union and that has its own unique problems. If you go industrial you may be faced with the same situation, being represented by a union whose core are not in the same trade as you are. No matter where you go you will encounter some BS (including being non-union).

I hope it works out for you. One of the great things about industrial is that you see some really cool sh*t that you would never encounter doing commercial and certainly not residential. One of the not so great things is that you'll still probably wind up changing light bulbs and filters at 4am.
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My nonunion shop treats all the employees like family!
I know so really dysfunctional families so I'm not so sure that's a good thing.

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I guess like other ppl have said I'm earlier post it matters what part of the country your from bc if your from Nj, ny, ct area .

Theirs no way you can tell me your open shop comes even cones close to what the ibew can over.

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I've worked and know at least 20
Diff open shop electricans in nj, ny

And none of them even come close to what the ibew can offer in theses areas ,
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Me stuck up? I'm a maintenance electrician at a steel mill, more or less doing what you say you want to do. I got a cert through a CC, got recruited by the company I work for and paid to relocate. It is indeed true that you can make a damn good living but it has its own drawbacks, same as anything (getting ready to go in for graveyard shift right now, speaking of drawbacks). Anyways, I was just curious because someone bumped your thread and I happened to see you posting in the industrial forum.

And I'll tell you what though, I'm a member of a union too which is not an electrician's union and that has its own unique problems. If you go industrial you may be faced with the same situation, being represented by a union whose core are not in the same trade as you are. No matter where you go you will encounter some BS (including being non-union).

I hope it works out for you. One of the great things about industrial is that you see some really cool sh*t that you would never encounter doing commercial and certainly not residential. One of the not so great things is that you'll still probably wind up changing light bulbs and filters at 4am.

No no man I'm sorry I wasn't directing that towards you in anyway, I was pretty much directing that from the guys that were bashing me a year ago. Sorry lol. But do you have any advise for me getting my foot in the door? Iv have certifications in PLC and industrial maintenance as stated before. I'm really considering going to community college for electrical engineering.
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No no man I'm sorry I wasn't directing that towards you in anyway, I was pretty much directing that from the guys that were bashing me a year ago. Sorry lol. But do you have any advise for me getting my foot in the door? Iv have certifications in PLC and industrial maintenance as stated before. I'm really considering going to community college for electrical engineering.
I can't really speak to the engineering side of things but A LOT of the guys I work with, both mechanical and electrical, started at the company as operators on the line and then took the test to be either a mechanical tech or an electrical tech. A lot of them went through community college programs in addition to already working there. Our school has a relationship with some companies who recruited on campus and our instructors have reached out on our behalf a number of times (well, on behalf of the students who show up and do good work...the guys who can't be bothered to do either don't get a lot of help). We're also informed of job openings by alumni through our instructors, so the community college route definitely helps. The company I work for mostly cared that we were able to pass the written test and then the bench test and the college helped with that immensely.

Where did you get your certifications? I would see who your local school has a relationship with if you can and see if you can get in contact with someone who has been through the program and is employed, even if it isn't somewhere you want to work. Then ask them if they know anyone who is also employed in the field.

I don't know if that helps. Like a lot of things, I feel like the first job is the hardest to get.
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I can't really speak to the engineering side of things but A LOT of the guys I work with, both mechanical and electrical, started at the company as operators on the line and then took the test to be either a mechanical tech or an electrical tech. A lot of them went through community college programs in addition to already working there. Our school has a relationship with some companies who recruited on campus and our instructors have reached out on our behalf a number of times (well, on behalf of the students who show up and do good work...the guys who can't be bothered to do either don't get a lot of help). We're also informed of job openings by alumni through our instructors, so the community college route definitely helps. The company I work for mostly cared that we were able to pass the written test and then the bench test and the college helped with that immensely.

Where did you get your certifications? I would see who your local school has a relationship with if you can and see if you can get in contact with someone who has been through the program and is employed, even if it isn't somewhere you want to work. Then ask them if they know anyone who is also employed in the field.

I don't know if that helps. Like a lot of things, I feel like the first job is the hardest to get.
Really appreciate some good advise for once on this site. Most of the time you got guys bashing you. My buddy went through the course I might be taking and he is now working for a local power line company .. that would be ideally my dream job. His dad is the high up in that company though, he told me if I get my associates degree in electrical engineering tech I have a shot at getting into this company. He makes pretty good money for his first year out of college. Doesn't get dirty and loves his job, I'm just really sick of the whole construction commercial work. It's fun and all but I really want to advance myself more in the field of work. It doesn't help that I don't make great money as a 3rd year electrician
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