Worker's Rights - Electrician Talk - Professional Electrical Contractors Forum

RIVETER · 11-02-2009, 10:28 PM

The original premise for a union was to have an entity that would help secure worker's rights. It has evolved, though, into securing wages, benefits and the like. Why is that wrong? The upper level people make GOOD money. Why don't they share? Alone, I cannot go in and ask for an increase for fear of retribution. With my brothers, and sisters, I feel more comfortable in doing so. The COMPANY could not exist without their WORKFORCE. I'm just saying....

oldman · 11-02-2009, 10:31 PM

and the workforce would be twiddling their thumbs without people risking everything they have to hire them...either directly as employees, or by hiring the companies they work for....

but hey, socialism is on it's way, so hold your 'spread the wealth' theory for a few more years and you'll be set...

RIVETER · 11-02-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman

and the workforce would be twiddling their thumbs without people risking everything they have to hire them...either directly as employees, or by hiring the companies they work for....

but hey, socialism is on it's way, so hold your 'spread the wealth' theory for a few more years and you'll be set...

In two paragraphs you are mixing two concepts...AS far as people risking everything, they generally do not risk unless THEY have a plan and a product that they think CAN SELL. And, they think that they cannot do it by themselves.

Socialism...no way. I do not believe in RE-DISTRIBUTING of the wealth. Those who work for it ...GET IT.

oldman · 11-02-2009, 10:48 PM

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The upper level people make GOOD money. Why don't they share?

looks like socialism to me....

oldman · 11-02-2009, 10:50 PM

everyday, people get up and literally risk everything they have on their dreams...some succeed, some crash and fail...you feel that this risk is not worth more than you showing up for 8 hrs and collecting a paycheck?

Peter D · 11-02-2009, 10:51 PM

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looks like socialism to me....

Nah, in the new America the janitor or the homless guy on the street is just as entitled to be the CEO of a Fortune 500 company.

oldman · 11-02-2009, 10:53 PM

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Nah, in the new America the janitor or the homless guy on the street is just as entitled to be the CEO of a Fortune 500 company.

it's coming...we have a 'Pay Czar' now....throw in more taxes for those who do make a few dollars more, and soon we'll all be living high on the field mouse...

RIVETER · 11-02-2009, 10:54 PM

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looks like socialism to me....

oldman...I do not know how old you are, but I hope that you have not given up. There is a great difference between SHARING THE WEALTH and EARNING THE WEALTH. If you don't believe that your labor does entitle you to a PIECE of the action, live with it. Don't bring the rest of us down.

oldman · 11-02-2009, 10:57 PM

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oldman...I do not know how old you are, but I hope that you have not given up. There is a great difference between SHARING THE WEALTH and EARNING THE WEALTH. If you don't believe that your labor does entitle you to a PIECE of the action, live with it. Don't bring the rest of us down.

i know this....i can't pay a guy $200,000 a year, if he only generates $150,000 a year...no matter how legendary he is in his own mind...

RIVETER · 11-02-2009, 11:04 PM

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i know this....i can't pay a guy $200,000 a year, if he only generates $150,000 a year...no matter how legendary he is in his own mind...

If your figures are honest, I am with you. I would also counsel you as to how to hire a workforce, qualified for the industry that you are in.

Bob Badger · 11-02-2009, 11:04 PM

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i know this....i can't pay a guy $200,000 a year, if he only generates $150,000 a year...no matter how legendary he is in his own mind...

And thats it right there.

RIVETER · 11-02-2009, 11:09 PM

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And thats it right there.

I cannot possibly know your personal hiring STARTING salaries but I would be glad to work for $200,000 DOLLARS. How many of those guys do you have on your payroll?

oldman · 11-02-2009, 11:09 PM

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If your figures are honest, I am with you. I would also counsel you as to how to hire a workforce, qualified for the industry that you are in.

i thought that was the purpose of the IBEW?

RIVETER · 11-02-2009, 11:14 PM

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i thought that was the purpose of the IBEW?

I've worked, extensively, with the IBEW, and they have well qualified people, and trained. There will always be a percentage of people who lack their own self respect, and I know that you can get rid of them...You are not kidding anyone.

oldman · 11-02-2009, 11:17 PM

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I've worked, extensively, with the IBEW, and they have well qualified people, and trained. There will always be a percentage of people who lack their own self respect, and I know that you can get rid of them...You are not kidding anyone.

ok...you're right...it's black and white, and good always wins...

RIVETER · 11-02-2009, 11:22 PM

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ok...you're right...it's black and white, and good always wins...

That is not the way I feel,(BLACK and WHITE).

Are you a contractor?

oldman · 11-02-2009, 11:25 PM

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That is not the way I feel,(BLACK and WHITE).

Are you a contractor?

nah...i'm just a guy who gives money away

RIVETER · 11-02-2009, 11:29 PM

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nah...i'm just a guy who gives money away

Okay, then, your answer is a non-answer.Joking your way out of a serious conversation has it's downfalls.

BuzzKill · 11-02-2009, 11:33 PM

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looks like socialism to me....

During the '08 campaign, "The One" said it all to Joe the Plumber: "It's best to spread the wealth around."
A presidential candidate said this and people IGNORED it...amazing....the entitlement attitude of Americans is disgusting. Our country was not founded on these principles.

brian john · 11-02-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RIVETER

The original premise for a union was to have an entity that would help secure worker's rights. It has evolved, though, into securing wages, benefits and the like. Why is that wrong? The upper level people make GOOD money. Why don't they share? Alone, I cannot go in and ask for an increase for fear of retribution. With my brothers, and sisters, I feel more comfortable in doing so. The COMPANY could not exist without their WORKFORCE. I'm just saying....

In a open shop people go in every days and ask for a raise. Now this may surprise you but they do it because they feel they are worth it and they have a set. They do not work on some mob mentality were the hard workers get the same as the slackers and have to go at it as a gang.

As for brothers and sisters that is the DUMBEST crap. My brothers and sisters come from my mother and are related to me by blood, not some new concept of working for the MOTHER load.

And if you and your "bro's" disappeared tomorrow the company would struggle for a day or two and replace you, possible with a better qualified person.