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Originally Posted by RIVETER
The original premise for a union was to have an entity that would help secure worker's rights. It has evolved, though, into securing wages, benefits and the like. Why is that wrong? The upper level people make GOOD money. Why don't they share? Alone, I cannot go in and ask for an increase for fear of retribution. With my brothers, and sisters, I feel more comfortable in doing so. The COMPANY could not exist without their WORKFORCE. I'm just saying....
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Why would anyone be in fear of losing his job for asking for more money? People do it everyday. Either you get it or you don't. I just don't understand the fear factor.
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11-02-2009, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BigCL
Why would anyone be in fear of losing his job for asking for more money? People do it everyday. Either you get it or you don't. I just don't understand the fear factor.
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It comes from never having to stand up and be accounted for what you do, not for belonging to an organization.
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11-02-2009, 11:42 PM
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Worker's Rights
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Originally Posted by brian john
In a open shop people go in every days and ask for a raise. Now this may surprise you but they do it because they feel they are worth it and they have a set. They do not work on some mob mentality were the hard workers get the same as the slackers and have to go at it as a gang.
As for brothers and sisters that is the DUMBEST crap. My brothers and sisters come from my mother and are related to me by blood, not some new concept of working for the MOTHER load.
And if you and your "bro's" disappeared tomorrow the company would struggle for a day or two and replace you, possible with a better qualified person.
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I am not sure where you are working, but are there any slackers there?And, if you died tomorrow, or today, wouldn't your company go on, after a day or two?
The term BROTHER denotes solidarity and brotherhood
and the willingness to support all people...as if they were your brother.
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11-02-2009, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RIVETER
I am not sure where you are working, but are there any slackers there?And, if you died tomorrow, or today, wouldn't your company go on, after a day or two?
The term BROTHER denotes solidarity and brotherhood
and the willingness to support all people...as if they were your brother.
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Yeah I have been exposed to the brotherhood. I'll stick to my real family thank you.
In my company I try to weed out slackers it is very easy when all the men are service drivers 2 men to a truck.
If I died tomorrow someone would step up and take my spot in a heart beat.
After my heart attack I hired two men to take my spot. Either they would take over or my competitors would take over my market share.
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11-02-2009, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RIVETER
The term BROTHER denotes solidarity and brotherhood
and the willingness to support all people...as if they were your brother.
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Do you realize believe that members of a trade union are all about solidarity and brotherhood above their own personal interests? I submit that if you do, you do not understand human nature very well.
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11-03-2009, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by RIVETER
The term BROTHER denotes solidarity and brotherhood
and the willingness to support all people...as if they were your brother.
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Wow.. 
I guess when you mean "support all people" you are really talking about only those people in the brotherhood, right? Not your neighbor, who is in management somewhere else... 
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11-03-2009, 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by RIVETER
The original premise for a union was to have an entity that would help secure worker's rights. It has evolved, though, into securing wages, benefits and the like. Why is that wrong? The upper level people make GOOD money. Why don't they share? Alone, I cannot go in and ask for an increase for fear of retribution. With my brothers, and sisters, I feel more comfortable in doing so. The COMPANY could not exist without their WORKFORCE. I'm just saying....
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Upper level people are used to being upper level, and can't relate to lower level people. Especially when they were born upper level people, like most of the politicians in this country, and large corporation owners. They are used to having servants/maids, etc., their family name and money to keep them out of trouble all the time. They have never done hard labor, and many of them cannot understand the fact that they are NOT allowed to have slaves.
So as long as you cannot have a factory/mall/wearhouse built in a 3rd world country and shipped into the US....... We will at least have the few construction jobs we have to look forward to until we allow slavery in this country again.... Then the company will exist without our workforce, and the skells will take care of it.
They will complain like crazy about how the americans cost way too much to employ, but this jerkoff will have 2 billion in profits for the year 
The company normally has people paid full time to find a cheaper work force, not to mention all the professional union busters out there, and the professional intimidators, and disinformation spreaders companies hire to intimidate employees....
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11-03-2009, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by splitphase
They will complain like crazy about how the Americans cost way too much to employ,
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But that is the truth in this world wide economy.
We can dislike it, but it remains a fact.
Times have changed greatly and none of it really good for us. America was so far out in front during the 50, 60s and into the 70s we could expect a lot. That is no longer the case and as these other countries move up we will be moving down. Get used to it and plan for it. 
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11-03-2009, 10:12 AM
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They will complain like crazy about how the americans cost way too much to employ, but this jerkoff will have 2 billion in profits for the year |
Could you please name this jerkoff?
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11-03-2009, 10:20 AM
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RAT shop workers beg on their knees while kissing the bossess ass for a penny raise at the same time stabbing their co workers in the back so they can take their penny that they earned.Hey boss I will supply the ladder,Hey boss I will use my own truck,Hey boss I will work a few minutes off the clock,Hey boss I don't need help carrying that 200LB gear,Hey boss you don't have to pay drive time,Hey boss I will work it HOT.
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11-03-2009, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by rewire
RAT shop workers beg on their knees while kissing the bossess ass for a penny raise at the same time stabbing their co workers in the back so they can take their penny that they earned.Hey boss I will supply the ladder,Hey boss I will use my own truck,Hey boss I will work a few minutes off the clock,Hey boss I don't need help carrying that 200LB gear,Hey boss you don't have to pay drive time,Hey boss I will work it HOT.
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I don't know if it is funny or sad that you belive all that load of crap. 
Yes, some non-union shops suck no doubt at all about that.
Some halls suck, no doubt about that either.
But heres the thing, I belive in being a man and watching out for myself. I don't need a mob to get what I need or want. If I worked at a shop that tried to take advantage of me I would .... and pay attention becuse it's pretty radical .... I would quit and work at another shop.
Its called taking care of yourself, don't wait for someone to hold your hand. If you can't take care of yourself then your screwed and you should be.
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11-03-2009, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rewire
RAT shop workers beg on their knees while kissing the bossess ass for a penny raise at the same time stabbing their co workers in the back so they can take their penny that they earned.Hey boss I will supply the ladder,Hey boss I will use my own truck,Hey boss I will work a few minutes off the clock,Hey boss I don't need help carrying that 200LB gear,Hey boss you don't have to pay drive time,Hey boss I will work it HOT.
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It's absolutely unbelievable that you could spout this much nonsense with so much conviction.
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11-03-2009, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob Badger
I don't know if it is funny or sad that you belive all that load of crap.
Yes, some non-union shops suck no doubt at all about that.
Some halls suck, no doubt about that either.
But heres the thing, I belive in being a man and watching out for myself. I don't need a mob to get what I need or want. If I worked at a shop that tried to take advantage of me I would .... and pay attention becuse it's pretty radical .... I would quit and work at another shop.
Its called taking care of yourself, don't wait for someone to hold your hand. If you can't take care of yourself then your screwed and you should be. |
A RAT will never admit to being a RAT they will hide behind the viel of "I,m just looking out for #1" to justify their RAT behavior.The funny part is that the RAT is so focused on the knife he is sticking in the back of one of his coworkers he totally misses the knife prepared to be shoved in his own back.The RAT is the dream employee of every boss as they can be munipulated with promises of power and money that will always be held just outside their grasp.The RAT will fight his fellow workers over the crumbs that fall from the table and boast of the fact that he will eat shat eagerly if it will gain him favor.The RAT mentality is glorified in reality shows that extoll the virtue of making packs and stabbing in the back those same and using others to reach your goal bec ause in the end it is only about you.
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11-03-2009, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by rewire
A RAT will never admit to being a RAT they will hide behind the viel of "I,m just looking out for #1" to justify their RAT behavior.The funny part is that the RAT is so focused on the knife he is sticking in the back of one of his coworkers he totally misses the knife prepared to be shoved in his own back.The RAT is the dream employee of every boss as they can be munipulated with promises of power and money that will always be held just outside their grasp.The RAT will fight his fellow workers over the crumbs that fall from the table and boast of the fact that he will eat shat eagerly if it will gain him favor.The RAT mentality is glorified in reality shows that extoll the virtue of making packs and stabbing in the back those same and using others to reach your goal bec ause in the end it is only about you.
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And there are no rats in a local with over 1000 unemployed and a year wait to be called? The guys who are working are more afraid than the guys not working.
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11-03-2009, 11:10 AM
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Union
Boy, this thread seems to be going south.I would just like to clarify the fact that I am UNION and proud of that.I also would stand up for any non-union person that is being discriminated against.
Worker's rights is a premise that ALL workers have the right to expect...Respect.
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11-03-2009, 11:31 AM
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Ratus Maximumus
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Originally Posted by rewire
A RAT will never admit to being a RAT they will hide behind the viel of "I,m just looking out for #1" to justify their RAT behavior.The funny part is that the RAT is so focused on the knife he is sticking in the back of one of his coworkers he totally misses the knife prepared to be shoved in his own back.The RAT is the dream employee of every boss as they can be munipulated with promises of power and money that will always be held just outside their grasp.The RAT will fight his fellow workers over the crumbs that fall from the table and boast of the fact that he will eat shat eagerly if it will gain him favor.The RAT mentality is glorified in reality shows that extoll the virtue of making packs and stabbing in the back those same and using others to reach your goal bec ause in the end it is only about you.
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And again I can thank you for really showing your true, childish self. 
Maybe someday when you grow up you and I can speak as men.
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11-03-2009, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by rewire
A RAT will never admit to being a RAT they will hide behind the viel of "I,m just looking out for #1" to justify their RAT behavior.The funny part is that the RAT is so focused on the knife he is sticking in the back of one of his coworkers he totally misses the knife prepared to be shoved in his own back.The RAT is the dream employee of every boss as they can be munipulated with promises of power and money that will always be held just outside their grasp.The RAT will fight his fellow workers over the crumbs that fall from the table and boast of the fact that he will eat shat eagerly if it will gain him favor.The RAT mentality is glorified in reality shows that extoll the virtue of making packs and stabbing in the back those same and using others to reach your goal bec ause in the end it is only about you.
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As an IBEW member I can honestly say that the biggest RATS I have ever seen are my fellow IBEW "Brothers".
Bother, Brother at the Hall...
On the job, fu*k them all.
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11-03-2009, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rewire
RAT shop workers beg on their knees while kissing the bossess ass for a penny raise at the same time stabbing their co workers in the back so they can take their penny that they earned.Hey boss I will supply the ladder,Hey boss I will use my own truck,Hey boss I will work a few minutes off the clock,Hey boss I don't need help carrying that 200LB gear,Hey boss you don't have to pay drive time,Hey boss I will work it HOT.
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It is sad to believe REWIRE actually believes this, he has watched to many union videos, or has lead a really sheltered life.
Rewire you need to join the real world for god sakes grow a set.
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11-03-2009, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rewire
RAT shop workers beg on their knees while kissing the bossess ass for a penny raise at the same time stabbing their co workers in the back so they can take their penny that they earned.Hey boss I will supply the ladder,Hey boss I will use my own truck,Hey boss I will work a few minutes off the clock,Hey boss I don't need help carrying that 200LB gear,Hey boss you don't have to pay drive time,Hey boss I will work it HOT.
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10-23-2009, 05:31 PM # 66 rewire
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just signed our letter of assent this month
Didn't take long for the kool aide to work on you, did it? 
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11-03-2009, 01:33 PM
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It's absolutely unbelievable that you could spout this much nonsense with so much conviction.
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whats unbelievable is the number of people who think like you
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