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480sparky · 11-03-2009, 05:49 PM

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*takes a bow*

user5941 · 11-03-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LJSMITH1

So, let me get this straight... You left your beloved 'brotherhood' to get your non-union business up and running. Now that you have had success in doing so (congrats), and non-union success I might add, you are returning to the brotherhood to bash anyone that you define as a RAT or a Non-union hack? LOL!

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...

If it weren't in black and white, I wouldn't believe this story....too funny.

I never have used the term "non union hack" get it straight please.It was not an easy decision to drop my ticket but our local did not have a residential book and I could not pay commercial scale for residential work. The area I was in had very low wages and many one man showes who worked for beer money. My goal was to raise the bar but I knew it would take time and paying above the local wage was putting me at a great disadvantage and with no target funds for residential it was the only option . I have always ran my company as a union shop I supply tools and trucks pay two hour show up on rainouts paid holidays paid vacations overtime over 8 saturday was always overtime 3% raise every year safety gear provided pay was at residential scale. The only things I did not have were retirement and healthcare now we do.

The only union I have direct knowledge of is the IBEW although not perfect they are not demons. I can't stomach those who bash unions with absolutly no understanding of what they do or why they are still needed. i do not carry any of this outside of the union topics forum but when you come in here and slam the IBEW I will respond and if you act like a rat , talk like a rat then I wont be shy about calling you a RAT but I will not do it outside of the UNION topics part of this board.

I never showed disrespect towards the IBEW sinse I was a member and even the short time I was not

480sparky · 11-03-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rewire

..........talk like a rat then I wont be shy about calling you a RAT ............

And it seems the only time we 'talk like a rat' is when you think we are.

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Typical Rat ,how are you going to speak as a man does your health insurance cover gender reasignmaent

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whats unbelievable is the number of people who think like you

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A RAT will never admit to being a RAT they will hide behind the viel of "I,m just looking out for #1" to justify their RAT behavior.The funny part is that the RAT is so focused on the knife he is sticking in the back of one of his coworkers he totally misses the knife prepared to be shoved in his own back.The RAT is the dream employee of every boss as they can be munipulated with promises of power and money that will always be held just outside their grasp.The RAT will fight his fellow workers over the crumbs that fall from the table and boast of the fact that he will eat shat eagerly if it will gain him favor.The RAT mentality is glorified in reality shows that extoll the virtue of making packs and stabbing in the back those same and using others to reach your goal bec ause in the end it is only about you.

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RAT shop workers beg on their knees while kissing the bossess ass for a penny raise at the same time stabbing their co workers in the back so they can take their penny that they earned.Hey boss I will supply the ladder,Hey boss I will use my own truck,Hey boss I will work a few minutes off the clock,Hey boss I don't need help carrying that 200LB gear,Hey boss you don't have to pay drive time,Hey boss I will work it HOT.

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with limited brain cells

then please bestow on us your vast understanding of the issue

and you know this because.....

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actually I knew that a people pleasing RAT would offer up answer in hopes of impressing someone who would tell them what a good little RAT they were for going after the big mean union guy,Its called working smarter

LJSMITH1 · 11-03-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rewire

I never have used the term "non union hack" get it straight please.It was not an easy decision to drop my ticket but our local did not have a residential book and I could not pay commercial scale for residential work. The area I was in had very low wages and many one man showes who worked for beer money. My goal was to raise the bar but I knew it would take time and paying above the local wage was putting me at a great disadvantage and with no target funds for residential it was the only option . I have always ran my company as a union shop I supply tools and trucks pay two hour show up on rainouts paid holidays paid vacations overtime over 8 saturday was always overtime 3% raise every year safety gear provided pay was at residential scale. The only things I did not have were retirement and healthcare now we do.

The only union I have direct knowledge of is the IBEW although not perfect they are not demons. I can't stomach those who bash unions with absolutly no understanding of what they do or why they are still needed. i do not carry any of this outside of the union topics forum but when you come in here and slam the IBEW I will respond and if you act like a rat , talk like a rat then I wont be shy about calling you a RAT but I will not do it outside of the UNION topics part of this board.

I never showed disrespect towards the IBEW sinse I was a member and even the short time I was not

Still... You dropped the Union when it suited you..and it wasn't like you were gone for a year or two....seems hypocritical to me.....

What about your "brothers"? How does that work with them? You are talking out of both sides of your head at the same time.

As far as calling me a RAT...LOL...I have nothing to do with your job or Union, so why the name calling?

Also, how do you know I have no understanding of what Unions do or why they are still needed? Just because my knowledge and personal experience don't fit within your ability to understand the bigger picture, does not mean you get to attack me or others who share in the same view as mine. Name calling is a sure-fire way to discredit any argument you can muster.

You are entitled to be part of your Union, have your opinion, and live your life the way you see fit. The moment you attempt to force your "cause" to be "my cause" is when I will have a problem with you.

EDM · 11-03-2009, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LJSMITH1

Still... You dropped the Union when it suited you..and it wasn't like you were gone for a year or two....seems hypocritical to me.....

Not that I want to agree with rewire, but what do you expect? Seriously?

How can you bid a house with commercial journeyman inside wiremen rates? It's not logical, it's not expected if the local doesn't have a residential program.

LJSMITH1 · 11-03-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 480sparky

And it seems the only time we 'talk like a rat' is when you think we are.

480Sparky, Love the Avatar! Scabby The Rat!

I wonder if any psycho in NYC has ever walked too close to one of those things with a razor blade covertly strapped to a shoe, coat, or other appendage that would "accidently" bump against the silly, blow up balloon animal...LOL

I should be in this business franchise...

BuzzKill · 11-03-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rewire

a side job working hack never uses a contract but professional contractors do sorry I didn't factor in stupid

That's laughable!

LJSMITH1 · 11-03-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EDM

Not that I want to agree with rewire, but what do you expect? Seriously?

How can you bid a house with commercial journeyman inside wiremen rates? It's not logical, it's not expected if the local doesn't have a residential program.

I didn't say I didn't agree that it was probably a good move personally, but it flies in the face of the "Solidarity" and "Brotherhood" speeches Mr. Rewire was lecturing us with earlier. If the Local doesn't have a residential program, why should he have to drop his card? Is there a work rule or dues issue that I don't understand? While he may not be accused of taking away a job from a Union Brother (because there is no established Union residential program in his area), the Union still needs his dues to fund the pension and heath benefit plans that many of his "brothers" rely on.

Is union membership easy to turn off and on at will? I was under the impression that it was very difficult.

EDM · 11-03-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LJSMITH1

I didn't say I didn't agree that it was probably a good move personally, but it flies in the face of the "Solidarity" and "Brotherhood" speeches Mr. Rewire was lecturing us with earlier. If the Local doesn't have a residential program, why should he have to drop his card? Is there a work rule or dues issue that I don't understand? While he may not be accused of taking away a job from a Union Brother (because there is no established Union residential program in his area), the Union still needs his dues to fund the pension and heath benefit plans that many of his "brothers" rely on.

Is union membership easy to turn off and on at will? I was under the impression that it was very difficult.

If you are not working and not on the referral list, you can "shelf" your book. It's not difficult at all.

brian john · 11-03-2009, 08:25 PM

REWIRE you questioned my credibility and ability as a contractor. I asked you some legitimate questions you have not answered.

I did not attack you I asked for a legitimate answer. Can you answer a few questions or are you only able to say rat, rat, rat!

Peter D · 11-03-2009, 08:30 PM

Non-union shops should start inflating large snakes at the jobsites to swallow all those stupid rats the union guys inflate.

EDM · 11-03-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter D

Non-union shops should start inflating large snakes at the jobsites to swallow all those stupid rats the union guys inflate.

Non-union shops are too busy doing electrical work to play with blow-up dolls.

Peter D · 11-03-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by EDM

Non-union shops are too busy doing electrical work to play with blow-up dolls.

Excellent point.

brian john · 11-03-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by EDM

Not that I want to agree with rewire, but what do you expect? Seriously?

How can you bid a house with commercial journeyman inside wiremen rates? It's not logical, it's not expected if the local doesn't have a residential program.

Such is the price you should pay for taking the SUPPOSEDLY moral hugh ground you either stand by your standards or you sell out.

Rewire for someone that I had a lot of respect for at one period your stock has seriously slipped.

william1978 · 11-03-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by EDM

Non-union shops are too busy doing electrical work to play with blow-up dolls.

Some of the guys working at my non-union shop are to busy playing with a blow-up doll to do any work.

MF Dagger · 11-03-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter D

Non-union shops should start inflating large snakes at the jobsites to swallow all those stupid rats the union guys inflate.

I saw a cat on some site one time.

MF Dagger · 11-03-2009, 09:29 PM

RIVETER · 11-03-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rewire

I never have used the term "non union hack" get it straight please.It was not an easy decision to drop my ticket but our local did not have a residential book and I could not pay commercial scale for residential work. The area I was in had very low wages and many one man showes who worked for beer money. My goal was to raise the bar but I knew it would take time and paying above the local wage was putting me at a great disadvantage and with no target funds for residential it was the only option . I have always ran my company as a union shop I supply tools and trucks pay two hour show up on rainouts paid holidays paid vacations overtime over 8 saturday was always overtime 3% raise every year safety gear provided pay was at residential scale. The only things I did not have were retirement and healthcare now we do.

The only union I have direct knowledge of is the IBEW although not perfect they are not demons. I can't stomach those who bash unions with absolutly no understanding of what they do or why they are still needed. i do not carry any of this outside of the union topics forum but when you come in here and slam the IBEW I will respond and if you act like a rat , talk like a rat then I wont be shy about calling you a RAT but I will not do it outside of the UNION topics part of this board.

I never showed disrespect towards the IBEW sinse I was a member and even the short time I was not

Rewire, I am with you and a lot of people on this forum are, as well. I personally, do not bash non-union workers because I see that they are trying to support their families. I have my preferences, and UNION serves me. The others deserve respect too. They are good workers and the UNION has good workers, as well.

brian john · 11-03-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RIVETER

Rewire, I am with you and a lot of people on this forum are, as well. I personally, do not bash non-union workers because I see that they are trying to support their families. I have my preferences, and UNION serves me. The others deserve respect too. They are good workers and the UNION has good workers, as well.

And the union would get more members if they were OPEN and quit trashing open shop men.

Other than RIVERTER I seldom see the die hard union men posting anything in the electrical portion of this ELECTRICAL FORUM, and RIVERTER took a beating on a few issues. Lots to say here nothing to add in the skills section.MMMMMMMM?????????????

EDM · 11-03-2009, 11:09 PM

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Other than RIVERTER I seldom see the die hard union men posting anything in the electrical portion of this ELECTRICAL FORUM,

That's a good observation, but it's more than just union vs. non-union.

Most union men are workers, they follow a plan and work under project managers, architects, engineers, etc. In that situation, when less decision making is put on that particular person, it does become somewhat of an Installer type of job. Personally, I am stuck in that situation until I find a way out.

On the other hand, many of the non-union men here are contractors doing smaller work where they make the decisions themselves, for the most part. That puts them into the position to ask more questions and learn new tricks, to get involved in more of the technical discussions.