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user5941 · 11-04-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 480sparky

And I've stated time and time again I never kissed the boss's ass, yet you still insist I am a rat sole based on your preconcieved image of me.

Fact is, you've called me a rat several times in this thread, along with everyone else who doesn't subscribe to your views.

were are you getting that I called you a RAT in this post I never responded to you in any manner like that to be honest you were not that interesting

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Why limit it to just IBEW members? Are not all unions included? Or are you just attempting to be so selective in your demands they simply cannot be met under any circumstances?

My knowledge is limited to the IBEW so commenting on the SEIU picketing policy would not be based on personel knowledge

EDM · 11-04-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rewire

post the links and I will watch

Search for yourself there are hundreds. I am not here to do your work for you.

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I know you cannot be "forced" to picket.

Again, you are DEAD wrong. It is in our bylaws, so yes, we are required to picket when called even if we are against it.

All you have done is proven that you don't know much about either non-union OR union labor.

480sparky · 11-04-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rewire

were are you getting that I called you a RAT in this post I never responded to you in any manner like that to be honest you were not that interesting ........

You lie like a rug.

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Originally Posted by rewire

actually I knew that a people pleasing RAT would offer up answer in hopes of impressing someone who would tell them what a good little RAT they were for going after the big mean union guy,Its called working smarter

Would you like me to post your comments about the others you have called a rat?

bward76 · 11-04-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by EDM

Search for yourself there are hundreds. I am not here to do your work for you.

Again, you are DEAD wrong. It is in our bylaws, so yes, we are required to picket when called even if we are against it.

All you have done is proven that you don't know much about either non-union OR union labor.

This would be an area specific item. It is clearly in my bylaws that we have a no strike policy. Our local has not picketed since the early 80's.

RIVETER · 11-04-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman

do you hold the reverse to be true? if they lose money because of a royal screwup on your part, should you be responsible for some of the loss?

Ford had a $1bil profit for the last quarter, 14 and a half more quarters like that will make up for the loss's of last year...

it has to be a give and take, not a one way street....this isn't aimed at you personally, just a general reference...

we just let a guy go because he felt i was responsible for supporting his family...wanted the paycheck, wanted the hours....but didn't feel necessary to produce anything in the hours he was on the clock...was happy to run jobs long because it meant another paycheck for him...

so, unfortunately, he is now looking for another job...and his family is not being taken care of...when had he just done his job, everyone would have won...

Yes, I do. And if you have followed the the progression of talks between the UAW and Ford you would have seen enormous changes in our wages and benefits. We even allowed Ford to re-open valid contracts that we were not obligated to do and make changes in order for them to achieve profitability. Now, things are looking a little brighter
There are over 200,000 jobs involved with Ford remaining viable (And that is just FORD, alone.

user5941 · 11-04-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 480sparky

You lie like a rug.

Would you like me to post your comments about the others you have called a rat?

I looked and I still don't see me saying you personally were a RAT now you can assume if you like but you cannot show me directly calling you a rat now I did call Bob a rat but I was wrong he iis a weasel as you pointed out.

user5941 · 11-04-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EDM

Search for yourself there are hundreds. I am not here to do your work for you.

Again, you are DEAD wrong. It is in our bylaws, so yes, we are required to picket when called even if we are against it.

All you have done is proven that you don't know much about either non-union OR union labor.

post you r local #, I can check the bylaws scan and post them then you will have proof I am wrong otherwise you are going to appear lame I have the internatiional bylaws and a local cannot superceed the international bylaws.

480sparky · 11-04-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rewire

I looked and I still don't see me saying you personally were a RAT now you can assume if you like but you cannot show me directly calling you a rat now I did call Bob a rat but I was wrong he iis a weasel as you pointed out.

What do you want? A link to a post where you state, quote, "480sparky is a rat!"?

Sorry, you called me a rat in that post. No doubt about it (except in your twisted, self-centered universe). You know next to nothing about me and my work history, yet I am a rat solely because I am not in the union and do not subscribe to your views.

And you still called Bob a rat. I only pointed out that badgers are part of the weasel family. That does not erase the fact that you called Bob a rat (except in your twisted, self-centered universe).

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Originally Posted by rewire

post you r local #, I can check the bylaws scan and post them then you will have proof I am wrong otherwise you are going to appear lame I have the internatiional bylaws and a local cannot superceed the international bylaws.

So in other words, you're always right, except when proven wrong, and then you're still right?

user5941 · 11-04-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 480sparky

What do you want? A link to a post where you state, quote, "480sparky is a rat!"?

that would work,but you can't so ...

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Sorry, you called me a rat in that post. No doubt about it (except in your twisted, self-centered universe). You know next to nothing about me and my work history, yet I am a rat solely because I am not in the union and do not subscribe to your views.

I just lead you to the door your the one who stepped through.I never said it was you,you made that leap on your own and if I am not mistaken you said I called you a RAT several times which is also a lie on your part.

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And you still called Bob a rat. I only pointed out that badgers are part of the weasel family. That does not erase the fact that you called Bob a rat (except in your twisted, self-centered universe).

And did I say I didn't??

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So in other words, you're always right, except when proven wrong, and then you're still right?

You are assuming facts not in evidence

macmikeman · 11-04-2009, 12:21 PM

There used to be Sugar Cane fields all over the Hawaiian Islands. Made the place look superb, no much more than superb, truly awesome. The workforce was all in unions. They were the highest paid ag workers in the country . Sugar prices were below what the companies could pay the men. For a long while the Congress propped up the mess with supports in exchange for the likely hood of votes.(it worked very well for the local senators). Then the price supports were yanked. The sugar growers offered reduced pay or shut down. The union workers refused to budge. the growers shut down. The land lies fallow for the most part now, and is erroding at a rapid rate into the sea. Thats what unions do.......

480sparky · 11-04-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rewire

that would work,but you can't so ...

So you just set rediculously high standards that are impossible to meet just to advance your own agenda.

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Originally Posted by rewire

I just lead you to the door your the one who stepped through.I never said it was you,you made that leap on your own and if I am not mistaken you said I called you a RAT several times which is also a lie on your part.

You lead me? You don't lead me. You seem to be incapable of leading. I simply corrected you. As for not saying the rat comment was not directed at me, you responded directly to my post, quote and all. Now you're saying it was not directed at me? If not, who then?

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Originally Posted by rewire

And did I say I didn't??

Yes, you did.

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Originally Posted by rewire

You are assuming facts not in evidence

Now I know you're PWI.

EDM · 11-04-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bward76

This would be an area specific item. It is clearly in my bylaws that we have a no strike policy. Our local has not picketed since the early 80's.

We have a no strike policy as well.

Picketing does NOT mean striking.

The picketing that I was speaking of is in front of non-union construction sites.

EDM · 11-04-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rewire

post you r local #, I can check the bylaws scan and post them then you will have proof I am wrong otherwise you are going to appear lame I have the internatiional bylaws and a local cannot superceed the international bylaws.

Once again you just proved that you do not know what you are talking about

user5941 · 11-04-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by macmikeman

There used to be Sugar Cane fields all over the Hawaiian Islands. Made the place look superb, no much more than superb, truly awesome. The workforce was all in unions. They were the highest paid ag workers in the country . Sugar prices were below what the companies could pay the men. For a long while the Congress propped up the mess with supports in exchange for the likely hood of votes.(it worked very well for the local senators). Then the price supports were yanked. The sugar growers offered reduced pay or shut down. The union workers refused to budge. the growers shut down. The land lies fallow for the most part now, and is erroding at a rapid rate into the sea. Thats what unions do.......

and that sugar cane is produced in many other areas were laborers get pennies an hour and that 's what colperate greed does.We want to buy cheap and sell high and their lies the problem.

user5941 · 11-04-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by EDM

We have a no strike policy as well.

Picketing does NOT mean striking.

The picketing that I was speaking of is in front of non-union construction sites.

That would be hand billing

user5941 · 11-04-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 480sparky

So you just set rediculously high standards that are impossible to meet just to advance your own agenda.

how low would you like the bar set

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You lead me? You don't lead me. You seem to be incapable of leading. I simply corrected you. As for not saying the rat comment was not directed at me, you responded directly to my post, quote and all. Now you're saying it was not directed at me? If not, who then?

you asked a question of me and I answered then I allowed you to draw whatever conclusion you wanted from that answer.Just like the code you can draw whatever conclusion you like that doesn't make it fact.

Yes, you did.

Now I know you're PWI.[/quote]

EDM · 11-04-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rewire

That would be hand billing

That would be PICKETING, just like it's worded in the bylaws of many locals who have no strike policies.

So tell me, if a local CAN'T require you to picket, as you ignorantly stated, then why is Local 827 getting away with it? How about Local 640? Those are the first two that popped up in a search, I'd wager that the majority of IBEW locals have this in their bylaws. I know mine does. Yes for some reason you say that's not allowed

http://www.ibew640.org/LocalUnionBylaws.html
http://ibew827.com/strike/picket-policy

Your M.O. here is clear, you post stupid statements because you don't know any better, then when you are proven wrong you make even worse arguments.

user5941 · 11-04-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EDM

Once again you just proved that you do not know what you are talking about

do you get lost easily? I asked for you to post your local are you afraid to ?

EDM · 11-04-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rewire

do you get lost easily? I asked for you to post your local are you afraid to ?

For what reason? What are you going to do with that information?

My last post proved you wrong, what more do you need?

bward76 · 11-04-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EDM

We have a no strike policy as well.

Picketing does NOT mean striking.

The picketing that I was speaking of is in front of non-union construction sites.

I see what your saying. Were you refering to the teamsters at the S.F. chronical?