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EDM · 11-04-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bward76

I see what your saying. Were you refering to the teamsters at the S.F. chronical?

No, I was referring to the IBEW.

RIVETER · 11-04-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by macmikeman

There used to be Sugar Cane fields all over the Hawaiian Islands. Made the place look superb, no much more than superb, truly awesome. The workforce was all in unions. They were the highest paid ag workers in the country . Sugar prices were below what the companies could pay the men. For a long while the Congress propped up the mess with supports in exchange for the likely hood of votes.(it worked very well for the local senators). Then the price supports were yanked. The sugar growers offered reduced pay or shut down. The union workers refused to budge. the growers shut down. The land lies fallow for the most part now, and is erroding at a rapid rate into the sea. Thats what unions do.......

The sugar cane fields of Hawaii did not make the islands look awesome... quite the opposite. The "FIELDS" raveged the resources, destroyed the land and made slaves of the people. The field owners imported workers from Korea, Japan, China and other places in the world to maintain a DIVERSE workforce...A workforce that could be ethnically separated and unable to communicate on their problems. They were kept in those conditions by the plantation owners until about 1920 when they finally had developed a language of sorts and were able to communicate.THEY FOUND THEIR VOICE.

user5941 · 11-04-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EDM

That would be PICKETING, just like it's worded in the bylaws of many locals who have no strike policies.

So tell me, if a local CAN'T require you to picket, as you ignorantly stated, then why is Local 827 getting away with it? How about Local 640? Those are the first two that popped up in a search, I'd wager that the majority of IBEW locals have this in their bylaws. I know mine does. Yes for some reason you say that's not allowed

http://www.ibew640.org/LocalUnionBylaws.html
http://ibew827.com/strike/picket-policy

Your M.O. here is clear, you post stupid statements because you don't know any better, then when you are proven wrong you make even worse arguments.

A member shall not refuse to serve his/her turn for picket duty when called without a reasonable excuse.

this allows for a reasonable excuse so you are not forced you can decline and no penalties are assesed

user5941 · 11-04-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EDM

For what reason? What are you going to do with that information?

My last post proved you wrong, what more do you need?

just post your local is that to hard for you

480sparky · 11-04-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rewire

how low would you like the bar set
you asked a question of me and I answered then I allowed you to draw whatever conclusion you wanted from that answer...........

But the rest of us aren't, at least according to you.

oldman · 11-04-2009, 03:21 PM

480, You are debating a man who not that long ago touted the business sense of Sam Walton, and proclaimed a desire to be the WalMart of the electrical world.

Kind of a waste of time for you, huh?

480sparky · 11-04-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman

.............Kind of a waste of time for you, huh?

Not really. It's worth it just for the sheer entertainment value alone. Wrap up Jerry Seinfeld, Larry the Cable Guy, Jim Carrey and Brad Garret into one person, and you still haven't gotten the capability to get a laugh as much as this guy.

user5941 · 11-04-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman

480, You are debating a man who not that long ago touted the business sense of Sam Walton, and proclaimed a desire to be the WalMart of the electrical world.

Kind of a waste of time for you, huh?

I just love having admirers,so you read my old posts

actually Ken just likes to argue and I like to post so it works well for us this is very relaxing from the stresses of business

and yes I would not mind being the largest electrical contractor in the world and the billions that go with it would be kinda nice.

480sparky · 11-04-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rewire

I just love having admirers,so you read my old posts

actually Ken just likes to argue and I like to post so it works well for us this is very relaxing from the stresses of business..........

See, there ya go again......... assuming you know everything.

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Originally Posted by rewire

..........and yes I would not mind being the largest electrical contractor in the world and the billions that go with it would be kinda nice.

Of course, in order to become WalMart Electric, you'll have to give up your beloved Union...........

EDM · 11-04-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rewire

A member shall not refuse to serve his/her turn for picket duty when called without a reasonable excuse.

this allows for a reasonable excuse so you are not forced you can decline and no penalties are assesed

Reasonable excuse is up to the e-board, and anything other than serious injury or death in the close family isn't reasonable. They've heard all the excuses in the world. The fact is that my local requires you to go to a picket when called, just like I said earlier.

The fact is that I proved you wrong. Yet, even in your old age, you still are not man enough to admit it. A worm like you doesn't have the ability to say "maybe I was wrong".

user5941 · 11-04-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by EDM

Reasonable excuse is up to the e-board, and anything other than serious injury or death in the close family isn't reasonable. They've heard all the excuses in the world. The fact is that my local requires you to go to a picket when called, just like I said earlier.

The fact is that I proved you wrong. Yet, even in your old age, you still are not man enough to admit it. A worm like you doesn't have the ability to say "maybe I was wrong".

I was wrong you were right

even a broken clock is right twice a day

I know our local has no type provision and if you say no what penalty might you recieve?

user5941 · 11-04-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 480sparky

See, there ya go again......... assuming you know everything.

you are right maybe you hate arguing and this is some sort of sadomasicistic thing.

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Of course, in order to become WalMart Electric, you'll have to give up your beloved Union...........

Why would I need to do that

480sparky · 11-04-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rewire

you are right maybe you hate arguing and this is some sort of sadomasicistic thing.

Again.... you're assuming things.

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Originally Posted by rewire

Why would I need to do that

You're kidding, right? Seriously! You honest-to-God have no idea? You're saying you're absolutely clueless about WalMart and the union?

You need to get out more. I suggest you turn your computer off right now and go forth into the real world.

EDM · 11-04-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 480sparky

You're kidding, right? Seriously! You honest-to-God have no idea? You're saying you're absolutely clueless about WalMart and the union?

I worked at 2 Walmarts as an IBEW member, one of them was new construction. Right now there is a huge renovation going on at a nearby Walmart, all the trades are union.

480sparky · 11-04-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EDM

I worked at 2 Walmarts as an IBEW member, one of them was new construction. Right now there is a huge renovation going on at a nearby Walmart, all the trades are union.

That's fine. Try working FOR WalMart as a union member.

user5941 · 11-04-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 480sparky

Again.... you're assuming things.

no actually I was attempting to reinforce your claim by pointing out that you could easily be doing this because you need to be punished you will note i said i "could" be not it "was"

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You're kidding, right? Seriously! You honest-to-God have no idea? You're saying you're absolutely clueless about WalMart and the union?

You need to get out more. I suggest you turn your computer off right now and go forth into the real world.

Now you are asuming things ,wasn't that just what you were complaining about me?

and I am also not going to have all the associates gather every morning and spell out the company name.

user5941 · 11-04-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 480sparky

That's fine. Try working FOR WalMart as a union member.

just go to work at the union WalMart store

RIVETER · 11-04-2009, 07:28 PM

Throughout my career, at least since the military, I have been a PROUD member of three unions; tobacco,construction, and automotive. What I have noticed along the way is that many companies ENJOY in-fighting amongst the employees. If they perceive you as DIVIDED they know that they can achieve what they want, without protest. There's a lot of companies out there that are great companies and care about their employees, but you still have to keep up your guard. If you don't respect each other...why should they respect you?
We may be union and non-union, but we are still brother's and sister's in the workforce and we are just trying to take care of our families as best we can.
Sometimes the best SOLIDARITY is just being silent, if we don't have something good to say.

BuzzKill · 11-04-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RIVETER

We may be union and non-union, but we are still brother's and sister's in the workforce and we are just trying to take care of our families as best we can.
Sometimes the best SOLIDARITY is just being silent, if we don't have something good to say.

Huh? "brother's and sister's in the workforce"? Ludicrous.
"Solidarity?"....socialist terms. I don't buy it. You can sell all you want but I ain't no buyer. That's the thing about Union's: they are too "inclusive": human beings are individuals, not equals, not the same machine as the next.

EDM · 11-04-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BuzzKill

Huh? "brother's and sister's in the workforce"? Ludicrous.

Agreed.

He calls them brothers and sisters.

I call them competition.