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RIVETER · 11-04-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BuzzKill

Huh? "brother's and sister's in the workforce"? Ludicrous.
"Solidarity?"....socialist terms. I don't buy it. You can sell all you want but I ain't no buyer. That's the thing about Union's: they are too "inclusive": human beings are individuals, not equals, not the same machine as the next.

Thank you, Buzzkill, for proving my point. AND, wasn't LUDICROUS a singer?

480sparky · 11-04-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EDM

Agreed.

He calls them brothers and sisters.

I call them competition.

So why are you here, hob-knobing and mingling with 'the competition'?

BuzzKill · 11-04-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RIVETER

Thank you, Buzzkill, for proving my point. AND, wasn't LUDICROUS a singer?

Funny.
What is your point?
In one sentance, if you don't mind, the "union drivel speak" gets tiresome.

EDM · 11-04-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 480sparky

So why are you here, hob-knobing and mingling with 'the competition'?

I'm undercover.

The second I find you to truly be competition to me, I'll take you out.

BuzzKill · 11-04-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EDM

I'm undercover.

The second I find you to truly be competition to me, I'll take you out.

You're a RAT in training, huh? Welcome to the dark side.

EDM · 11-04-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BuzzKill

You're a RAT in training, huh? Welcome to the dark side.

I'm trying. It's gonna be a big jump.

bward76 · 11-04-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 480sparky

So why are you here, hob-knobing and mingling with 'the competition'?

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Originally Posted by EDM

I'm trying. It's gonna be a big jump.

Judging by your signature it sounds like you might be serious.

RIVETER · 11-04-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BuzzKill

Funny.
What is your point?
In one sentance, if you don't mind, the "union drivel speak" gets tiresome.

I am on your side. You should be able to tell that I am on the side of all workers. I choose UNION , but I respect your choice, as well. If you are happy with the way your life is going, I say more power to you. AND, I'm sorry that it took me four sentences.

RIVETER

EDM · 11-04-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bward76

Judging by your signature it sounds like you might be serious.

I couldn't be more serious.

brian john · 11-04-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RIVETER

I am on your side. You should be able to tell that I am on the side of all workers. I choose UNION , but I respect your choice, as well. If you are happy with the way your life is going, I say more power to you. AND, I'm sorry that it took me four sentences.

RIVETER

And that is the way it should be.

I think union is best for a variety of reason, though I DO NOT THINK unions are perfect.

My biggest issue has been some union members attitude the equal pay issue and the indoctrination of apprentices and, and, and, and

bward76 · 11-04-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by EDM

I couldn't be more serious.

Don't let the door hit ya in the ass.

EDM · 11-04-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bward76

Don't let the door hit ya in the ass.

It won't, I'll leave when I am good and ready, don't worry

bward76 · 11-04-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by EDM

It won't, I'll leave when I am good and ready, don't worry

I see know why you fly under the radar. A lot of people wanting to get in these days. Are you an apprentice or JW?

RIVETER · 11-04-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by brian john

And that is the way it should be.

I think union is best for a variety of reason, though I DO NOT THINK unions are perfect.

My biggest issue has been some union members attitude the equal pay issue and the indoctrination of apprentices and, and, and, and

That IS a good issue. I have worked extensively in construction , but have found that if a man /woman is not GETTING IT DONE, they are released and go back to the Hall and sign the book. If there is an obvious infraction of the contract, or labor laws it gets more complicated. I've never seen it get that
complicated.But I do understand what you are saying.

miller_elex · 11-04-2009, 09:23 PM

In the union, all electricians are equal.

Some are alot more equal than others.

Company men, suckups, and relatives, have a double-heaping share of equality.

The bench-warmers are half-equals.

The owner's son, he's a five-equal.

To the non-union guys out there, over here you have to keep your head down, not make any waves, and stand up for yourself, more than you would think we do. But at least the wage is consistent, and there is no infighting about who got what extra, and who is cleaning under the desks in the office. It does piss me off when the slave-driver GF gets a big bonus for busting balls, and I got to hear about it through the grape vine, stuff like that is still wrong.

EDM · 11-04-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bward76

I see know why you fly under the radar. A lot of people wanting to get in these days. Are you an apprentice or JW?

I don't fly under the radar.

JW, why?

EDM · 11-04-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by miller_elex

But at least the wage is consistent, and there is no infighting about who got what extra,

First of all, that's not true. I worked for higher than rate many times, and all my "brothers" were mad about it.

Also, there is nothing GOOD about having a consistent wage. Why should the slug get paid the same thing as the producer? Hell, why should a good producer make the same thing as a great producer?

The only true answer you have to those questions is "to cover the slugs". Socialism is nice for you, huh?

BuzzKill · 11-04-2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by edm

also, there is nothing good about having a consistent wage. Why should the slug get paid the same thing as the producer? Hell, why should a good producer make the same thing as a great producer?

zing!

RIVETER · 11-04-2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by miller_elex

In the union, all electricians are equal.

Some are alot more equal than others.

Company men, suckups, and relatives, have a double-heaping share of equality.

The bench-warmers are half-equals.

The owner's son, he's a five-equal.

To the non-union guys out there, over here you have to keep your head down, not make any waves, and stand up for yourself, more than you would think we do. But at least the wage is consistent, and there is no infighting about who got what extra, and who is cleaning under the desks in the office. It does piss me off when the slave-driver GF gets a big bonus for busting balls, and I got to hear about it through the grape vine, stuff like that is still wrong.

You can go anywhere in the United States and select 100 human beings for a test. It is most probable that 90 out of 100 will act HUMAN. People have different goals in life and react according to their needs. I honestly do remember...looking back in time, that I thought someone was a "suckie", or whatever, and when I really am honest with myself, I realize that maybe he was just willing to do a good , or better job than I was willing to do at that point in time. If you are truely satisfied with your own performance, that should be enough for you.

bward76 · 11-04-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by EDM

I don't fly under the radar.

JW, why?

Just curious.