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06-13-2009, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MDShunk
Yeah, They used to be PAL Publications, but Cengage bought them out and retitled all of them as DeWalt books. Same inside, different cover. Too bad they diminished the perception of the book by slapping DeWalt on the cover.
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DeWalt as in:
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06-13-2009, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by App.Electrician
DeWalt as in:
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Yup.
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06-13-2009, 08:06 PM
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06-13-2009, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by App.Electrician
So which is a better option: Ugly's or Dr. Watts.
I don't do residential. Only Commercial and Industrial.
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If it were me I would pick the Dr. Watts.
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06-13-2009, 10:48 PM
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I have the dewalt electrical book - lots of useful info. I got it at big blue.
I couldnt give a crap less whats on the cover, its the contents that matter to me.
~Matt
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06-13-2009, 11:11 PM
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What does a residential electrician need to reference? I have never ever needed a reference book for a resi install. No pipe fill, box fill, conductor ampacities, transformer taps, knot types, offset multipliers, hand signals, motor overloads, frame types, nada.
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06-13-2009, 11:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InPhase277
What does a residential electrician need to reference? I have never ever needed a reference book for a resi install. No pipe fill, box fill, conductor ampacities, transformer taps, knot types, offset multipliers, hand signals, motor overloads, frame types, nada.
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Maybe the size breaker for a given wire? 
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06-14-2009, 02:54 AM
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Maybe the size breaker for a given wire? |
NO that is what the helpful home depot employees are for.
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06-14-2009, 10:08 AM
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NO that is what the helpful home depot employees are for.
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Yeah, before a resi job, I always stop by Home Depot and write down that #14 = 15 A and #12 = 20 A.
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06-14-2009, 10:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InPhase277
What does a residential electrician need to reference? I have never ever needed a reference book for a resi install. No pipe fill, box fill, conductor ampacities, transformer taps, knot types, offset multipliers, hand signals, motor overloads, frame types, nada.
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I never seen a resi guy with offset multi-pliers.
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06-14-2009, 11:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InPhase277
Yeah, before a resi job, I always stop by Home Depot and write down that #14 = 15 A and #12 = 20 A.
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I usually just call them on the way and ask to speak to one of their experienced  sales staff. Saves gas money 
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06-15-2009, 07:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InPhase277
What does a residential electrician need to reference? I have never ever needed a reference book for a resi install. No pipe fill, box fill, conductor ampacities, transformer taps, knot types, offset multipliers, hand signals, motor overloads, frame types, nada.
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Inspectors have nicked a residential sparky I know on box fill. Certainly not me, just a guy I know. Single gang nail-on boxes fill fast. (Not that I would know, like I stated, it wasn't me.)
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06-15-2009, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by electric mike
Inspectors have nicked a residential sparky I know on box fill. Certainly not me, just a guy I know. Single gang nail-on boxes fill fast. (Not that I would know, like I stated, it wasn't me.)
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You sure it wasn't you?
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06-15-2009, 09:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InPhase277
What does a residential electrician need to reference? I have never ever needed a reference book for a resi install. No pipe fill, box fill, conductor ampacities, transformer taps, knot types, offset multipliers, hand signals, motor overloads, frame types, nada.
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I'll be the first to admit, I'm mainly a resi guy. On the commercial jobs we do, (they are few and far between, and on the small side compared to some of the stuff some of you do) the Ugly's is a lifesaver for me. I don't use it a lot, but it's great to refresh the mind. 
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06-15-2009, 10:34 PM
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yeah no doubt, i keep an ugly's in my bag just in case. I forget the offset multiplier for 10 degrees from time to time...and it's handy for some of the conduit fill charts and such. last time i used it i think i found....uh....was it 23 # 12's in a 1 1/4" pipe? i don't remember...better get my uglys.
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06-15-2009, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin J
I'll be the first to admit, I'm mainly a resi guy. On the commercial jobs we do, (they are few and far between, and on the small side compared to some of the stuff some of you do) the Ugly's is a lifesaver for me. I don't use it a lot, but it's great to refresh the mind. |
Just in case someone might think so, I wasn't taking a shot at resi guys in any way. I'm just saying there are very few unknowns in residential as far as mysterious electrical equipment.
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06-15-2009, 11:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MDShunk
Yeah, They used to be PAL Publications, but Cengage bought them out and retitled all of them as DeWalt books. Same inside, different cover. Too bad they diminished the perception of the book by slapping DeWalt on the cover.
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I didn't know that, good to know. I just saw the "DeWalt" on the cover and wrote it off as being worthless. The big black and yellow label defintely brings down the credibility of the content.
Ugly's is very handy but like mentioned, has got a lot of material that you'll never use. It makes for an interesting read from time to time though. The Dr. Watts is more practical for everyday use IMO, and definitely more convenient in size.
My advice is to get whichever is easier for you to obtain. They're both the same price.
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06-16-2009, 01:06 AM
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Here's another handy pocket reference I picked up years ago at a flea market. I think you can still find them on occasion on ebay.
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06-16-2009, 01:08 AM
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The old PAL books come in a variety of flavors, too:
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06-16-2009, 01:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Badger
Have you just tried your local bookstore?
It's like $15 and unless you lose it you will only buy one in your career.
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Seriously I agree, If you need a couple of bucks you can PM me your address.
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