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01-08-2012, 12:06 AM
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dronai,
In a scenario like this, your best place to start is with the machine operator. Before you even read error codes or pull prints, see just what you can get out of the machine operator if one exists. If you have someone onboard that knows all of the sequences, ALWAYS start with them, ALWAYS!!!
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But be prepared for the operator to say "It was like that when I got here" or "I have no idea what happened" only to find out later that they were the cause of the shutdown and they were flat out lying about it because they thought they would get in trouble for it.
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01-08-2012, 12:28 AM
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Why not Maybe you can help me ID all communication wiring. The PLC's have what looks like (Large Purple jacketed) Data lines. small orange colored fiber optic wires ? and small purple wires that look like their ethernet ? The same larger purple cables are running through all the VFD's
I found the only 120V panel that read Profi-Bus Optical Network
Panel 2 OLMZ 120V 1 phase I was thinking maybe it's the fiber optic network ?
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The larger purple jacketed cables are the Profibus. Inside the cable is shielding and then 2 wires- green and red. The small orange fiber optic lines are probably for Simolink (I think I spelled it right).
In our application, Simolink is bascically used for a "perfect" speed reference signal. The are several different machine components and everything is independently driven (no line shaft). Everything has to run at EXACTLY the same speed. The operators can adjust the gain on the operating panel to control tensions within the process.
You might also have green colored cables going to all of the drives. Those cables are the encoder cables.
In our application, all of the drives operate off of a main DC buss of 700 VDC, supplied by a Siemens AFE (active front end). All of the drives, including the AFE, are water cooled. Sounds crazy, but it does work. Haven't had any water leaks....YET!
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01-08-2012, 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by eric7379
the larger purple jacketed cables are the profibus. Inside the cable is shielding and then 2 wires- green and red. The small orange fiber optic lines are probably for simolink (i think i spelled it right).
In our application, simolink is bascically used for a "perfect" speed reference signal. The are several different machine components and everything is independently driven (no line shaft). Everything has to run at exactly the same speed. The operators can adjust the gain on the operating panel to control tensions within the process.
Maybe to time all the merges on the conveyor. They use shaft encoders in sink with the photo eyes for tracking.
You might also have green colored cables going to all of the drives. Those cables are the encoder cables.
I'll have to check that out. I just took a picture inside one of the vfd enclosures. I'll post it tomorrow.
In our application, all of the drives operate off of a main dc buss of 700 vdc, supplied by a siemens afe (active front end). All of the drives, including the afe, are water cooled. Sounds crazy, but it does work. Haven't had any water leaks....yet!
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wow !!
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01-08-2012, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 76nemo
dronai,
In a scenario like this, your best place to start is with the machine operator. Before you even read error codes or pull prints, see just what you can get out of the machine operator if one exists. If you have someone onboard that knows all of the sequences, ALWAYS start with them, ALWAYS!!!
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I have an operator, lets call him duma$$, That drives me nuts. Hes really new. When we were having power quality issues, I had him open the drawbridge under genny power to keep the VFDs from faulting. He asks "do I have to close it with the generator?". Wait it gets better..trouble call, bridge stuck open, he had shut the genny off when it was open....so the above advice is crucial to you learning the machines, the sequence of operation is most important for my troubleshooting
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01-08-2012, 12:33 PM
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I have an operator, lets call him duma$$, That drives me nuts. Hes really new. When we were having power quality issues, I had him open the drawbridge under genny power to keep the VFDs from faulting. He asks "do I have to close it with the generator?". Wait it gets better..trouble call, bridge stuck open, he had shut the genny off when it was open....so the above advice is crucial to you learning the machines, the sequence of operation is most important for my troubleshooting
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Did you find out what was causing your power quality issues ?
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01-08-2012, 01:46 PM
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Did you find out what was causing your power quality issues ?
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Not really, but we fixed it.
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01-08-2012, 02:13 PM
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Jesus, you're lucky.
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I would stop working on my own if i got a job like that now... I love that chit..
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01-08-2012, 08:22 PM
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I had a operator on a( plating line) tell me what was the exact problem and why , yet my leadman said here is a book, read it  i checked all the fuses in the enclosure, one of the control fuses opened, replaced fuse good to go  ...never touched the book ever  , i had just started with the company ..12 years ago..stayed 2 months..then quit..
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01-09-2012, 12:25 PM
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Vfd
In the VFD enclosure, why does the control transformer have two sets of taps ?
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