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01-12-2009, 02:57 AM
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14-2-2
Anyone use the 14-2-2 at all. Since the 08 code states that pretty much anything that is not ground faulted must be arc fault protected, or is everyone just pulling multiple 14-2 home runs?
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01-12-2009, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeg_05
Anyone use the 14-2-2 at all. Since the 08 code states that pretty much anything that is not ground faulted must be arc fault protected, or is everyone just pulling multiple 14-2 home runs?
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Apparently many suppliers are not stocking 14-2-2. I talked to the southwire rep in this area of NC and he says their is no demand for it here. The only issue I see with it is box fill but it certainly seems like a viable way to do things. Pull two 14-2-2 cables and you have 4 homeruns-- not bad esp. on long pulls.
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01-12-2009, 11:31 AM
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I think the main problem with it is it's only good for home runs. It makes sense but I don't see it being that popular unless your doing lot and lots of houses.
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01-12-2009, 02:53 PM
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[quote=Bkessler;52555]I think the main problem with it is it's only good for home runs. It makes sense but I don't see it being that popular unless your doing lot and lots of houses.[/QUOTE
yeah its too bad, because anything that makes pulling home runs eaiser and take less time is excellent in my book 
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01-12-2009, 06:28 PM
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I could see limited use for bath fan switch legs when the fan has an exhaust, a light, and a night light. 3 switch legs in one cable, along with the noodle, could speed things up.
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01-12-2009, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 480sparky
I could see limited use for bath fan switch legs when the fan has an exhaust, a light, and a night light. 3 switch legs in one cable, along with the noodle, could speed things up.
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That's how I use up my scraps of 14-2-2 and 12-2-2.
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01-12-2009, 08:36 PM
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1 coil lasts a life time. Almost.
we always called it 14/4-12/4 etc... Took a minute to figyaah' what Y'all were saying.
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01-12-2009, 08:58 PM
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1 coil lasts a life time. Almost.
we always called it 14/4-12/4 etc... Took a minute to figyaah' what Y'all were saying.
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There's a difference between nn-2-2 and nn-4.
Color Code for 2-2 Conductor Cable is Black, White, Red, and White with Red Stripe.
Color Code for 4 Conductor Cable is Black, Red, Blue and White.
Very minor but important difference.
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01-12-2009, 11:25 PM
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Gotcha, I have not seen the NM with the stripe, only the MC.
Thanks for the explanation! 
Regional: MC "Super 8" = Bk,R,Bl,3 Neuts striped,green &green yellow for Iso Grd.
So seperate Neutral, 2 AFCI ckts. business as usual. No?
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01-13-2009, 12:37 AM
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Gotcha, I have not seen the NM with the stripe, only the MC.
Thanks for the explanation!
Regional: MC "Super 8" = Bk,R,Bl,3 Neuts striped,green &green yellow for Iso Grd.
So seperate Neutral, 2 AFCI ckts. business as usual. No? |
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01-13-2009, 07:58 AM
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I use it where I have a 3-way and single pole at both ends of a space. This lets me bring the travelers as well as a constant hot and neutral in one cable.
I always have some on the truck.
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01-13-2009, 08:00 AM
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At my previous company (primarily residential new construction) we had been using 14-2-2 since '99 NEC and AFCIs started.
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01-13-2009, 01:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedy Petey
I use it where I have a 3-way and single pole at both ends of a space. This lets me bring the travelers as well as a constant hot and neutral in one cable.
I always have some on the truck.
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Do you keep a roll of 14-2-2 and a roll of 12-2-2 with you most of the time?
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01-13-2009, 09:09 PM
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Hey where can I get a roll of 14-2-2 ? sounds like it would work well in a remodel on a 2 story house
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01-13-2009, 09:11 PM
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Hey where can I get a roll of 14-2-2 ? sounds like it would work well in a remodel on a 2 story house |
Supply house. 
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01-13-2009, 09:14 PM
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Can it be ordered not on my local supply house web site? I looked it up on southwire kinda pricey huh?
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01-13-2009, 09:17 PM
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Can it be ordered not on my local supply house web site?
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Huh? 
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01-13-2009, 09:30 PM
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Looks like I will have to call them in the morning and see about ordering it. 
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01-14-2009, 02:25 AM
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Can it be ordered not on my local supply house web site? I looked it up on southwire kinda pricey huh?
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Pricey yes. It is primarily worth it for the labor savings.
While it's available here at decent supply houses, it's not
commonplace.
I love using the stuff when it is called for such as the
reasons cited above. The usual reasons being it's easier
to run two AFCI circuits with one cable, fewer grounds
in the panel, carry the hot and travelers through
multiple boxes.
If you don't save time by using it, it may not be
worth it, even though I'd like to see it be more
commonly available.
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01-14-2009, 10:36 AM
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pricey
I'll say it's pricey. 59 cents a foot at Home Depot here for 12-2-2, compared to 21 cents a foot for 12-2. More than double the price of 12-2 and there is less wire to pay for, (only one ground). My supply stores are even more expensive. I do wish it was more readily available though. Sometimes that is definitely the way to go.
Another thing I've noticed in the last year or two is that #4thhn is cheaper than #4 bare solid copper. Irks me.
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