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Shockdoc 12-20-2013 11:08 AM

kitchen toe kick heater
 
Just a question . Does it need to be gfci protected like bathrooms. If so can it get tagged off the counter outlets

macmikeman 12-20-2013 11:13 AM

GFI requirements do not mention toe kick heaters. Why would you think that they would need to be gfi? Even a receptacle outlet down in a toe kick in the kitchen does not need to be gfi protected unless it is a kitchen in a "not" a dwelling.

Shockdoc 12-20-2013 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by macmikeman (Post 1185940)
GFI requirements do not mention toe kick heaters. Why would you think that they would need to be gfi? Even a receptacle outlet down in a toe kick in the kitchen does not need to be gfi protected unless it is a kitchen in a "not" a dwelling.

It was directly under the sink base. I thought about leaky plumbing soaking it and the floor in front of it. So I tagged it off the counter circuit.

99cents 12-20-2013 11:20 AM

You guys don't need dedicated circuits for kitchen counter receptacles?

MTW 12-20-2013 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Shockdoc (Post 1185943)
It was directly under the sink base. I thought about leaky plumbing soaking it and the floor in front of it. So I tagged it off the counter circuit.

That's technically a violation.

MTW 12-20-2013 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 99cents (Post 1185946)
You guys don't need dedicated circuits for kitchen counter receptacles?

Yes, two 20-amp circuits are required for counter and dining room receptacles. There are no rules on how they can be divided up.

99cents 12-20-2013 04:49 PM

This makes no sense. He is concerned about GFCI protecting an illegal circuit.

BBQ 12-20-2013 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 99cents (Post 1186171)
This makes no sense. He is concerned about GFCI protecting an illegal circuit.

:blink::001_huh:

Next72969 12-20-2013 05:03 PM

Sinks are a hot topic

99cents 12-20-2013 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BBQ (Post 1186179)
:blink::001_huh:

Well, he is concerned about protecting the heater in case water spills on it but he wants to connect it to a kitchen receptacle circuit, which is a violation. That makes no sense.

captkirk 12-20-2013 05:17 PM

I just installed two and I ran a dedicated line for them . I would never tap off the kit recept... if its a 120 v unit it probably draws 6 amps at the least.... I would be pissed if I was that customer and my toaster is suddenly tripping on sunday morning...

B4T 12-20-2013 05:19 PM

Only receptacles need to be GFCI protected in a bathroom or kitchen.. a kick heater is direct wired..

Vintage Sounds 12-20-2013 06:57 PM

Come on man, you're going to connect what is probably a 1.5 kW heater to a 20A receptacle circuit? Facepalm.

Dennis Alwon 12-20-2013 07:07 PM

The heater cannot be on the small appliance branch circuit. It is that simple. A kick space heater is a direct wired piece of equipment.

owl 12-20-2013 07:38 PM

Counter SA circuits can have clock outlets and chit that powers igniters/clocks for counter mounted stuff. That's about it. 210.52(B)(2)

I_get_shocked 12-20-2013 07:59 PM

Just put it on a 15a circuit in smurf tube

markore 12-20-2013 09:47 PM

What is the brand and model number of the heater? Some can be run on 220.
What about the dishwasher/fridge/disposal circuits?
If it has an optional cordest or internal protection/thermestat bay you may have more options, depending on draw; most of the ones I do are hydronic.

backstay 12-20-2013 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Shockdoc
It was directly under the sink base. I thought about leaky plumbing soaking it and the floor in front of it. So I tagged it off the counter circuit.

Never put the toe kick heater in the sink base. You end up burning up the misses toes. It's the one location where you must stand for long periods in place and becomes quite uncomfortable. I've had to clip elements in them to lower the heat output so the women(HO) could wash dishes.

MTW 12-20-2013 10:12 PM

Doc, are you talking about a hydronic or electric toe kick heater?

macmikeman 12-20-2013 11:11 PM

Lets all see if you can guess the one member here who has not hooked up a heater ever, even though I used to live in that extremely cold place otherwise known as Florida. I didn't even know they had "toe kick" heaters. That's kinda neat. I do know they got butt hole warmers built into toilet seats in Japan. Some of them play a tune for you also.


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