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Old 12-20-2013, 12:08 PM   #1
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Just a question . Does it need to be gfci protected like bathrooms. If so can it get tagged off the counter outlets

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GFI requirements do not mention toe kick heaters. Why would you think that they would need to be gfi? Even a receptacle outlet down in a toe kick in the kitchen does not need to be gfi protected unless it is a kitchen in a "not" a dwelling.

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GFI requirements do not mention toe kick heaters. Why would you think that they would need to be gfi? Even a receptacle outlet down in a toe kick in the kitchen does not need to be gfi protected unless it is a kitchen in a "not" a dwelling.
It was directly under the sink base. I thought about leaky plumbing soaking it and the floor in front of it. So I tagged it off the counter circuit.
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You guys don't need dedicated circuits for kitchen counter receptacles?
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It was directly under the sink base. I thought about leaky plumbing soaking it and the floor in front of it. So I tagged it off the counter circuit.
That's technically a violation.
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You guys don't need dedicated circuits for kitchen counter receptacles?
Yes, two 20-amp circuits are required for counter and dining room receptacles. There are no rules on how they can be divided up.
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This makes no sense. He is concerned about GFCI protecting an illegal circuit.
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This makes no sense. He is concerned about GFCI protecting an illegal circuit.
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Sinks are a hot topic
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Well, he is concerned about protecting the heater in case water spills on it but he wants to connect it to a kitchen receptacle circuit, which is a violation. That makes no sense.

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I just installed two and I ran a dedicated line for them . I would never tap off the kit recept... if its a 120 v unit it probably draws 6 amps at the least.... I would be pissed if I was that customer and my toaster is suddenly tripping on sunday morning...
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Only receptacles need to be GFCI protected in a bathroom or kitchen.. a kick heater is direct wired..
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Come on man, you're going to connect what is probably a 1.5 kW heater to a 20A receptacle circuit? Facepalm.
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The heater cannot be on the small appliance branch circuit. It is that simple. A kick space heater is a direct wired piece of equipment.
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Counter SA circuits can have clock outlets and chit that powers igniters/clocks for counter mounted stuff. That's about it. 210.52(B)(2)
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Just put it on a 15a circuit in smurf tube
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What is the brand and model number of the heater? Some can be run on 220.
What about the dishwasher/fridge/disposal circuits?
If it has an optional cordest or internal protection/thermestat bay you may have more options, depending on draw; most of the ones I do are hydronic.
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It was directly under the sink base. I thought about leaky plumbing soaking it and the floor in front of it. So I tagged it off the counter circuit.
Never put the toe kick heater in the sink base. You end up burning up the misses toes. It's the one location where you must stand for long periods in place and becomes quite uncomfortable. I've had to clip elements in them to lower the heat output so the women(HO) could wash dishes.
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Doc, are you talking about a hydronic or electric toe kick heater?
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Lets all see if you can guess the one member here who has not hooked up a heater ever, even though I used to live in that extremely cold place otherwise known as Florida. I didn't even know they had "toe kick" heaters. That's kinda neat. I do know they got butt hole warmers built into toilet seats in Japan. Some of them play a tune for you also.

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