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Old 01-09-2017, 09:01 AM   #1
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Now that LED retrofits are so popular, I watched an insulation contractor bury a NON-IC rated can with R30 insulation bats. Stuffed around it pretty well.

We left the light on all day, never overheated the thermal safety in the can.
11 watt LED retrofit.

Guess it doesn't matter so much anymore................
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Old 01-09-2017, 09:10 AM   #2
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Now that LED retrofits are so popular, I watched an insulation contractor bury a NON-IC rated can with R30 insulation bats. Stuffed around it pretty well.

We left the light on all day, never overheated the thermal safety in the can.
11 watt LED retrofit.

Guess it doesn't matter so much anymore................
Unless / until someone comes along and unwittingly un-retrofits it...
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Unless / until someone comes along and unwittingly un-retrofits it...
Then it will shut off and they can figure it out.
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A legitimate insulation contractor knows the rules about recessed lighting.
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Unless / until someone comes along and unwittingly un-retrofits it...
Life span of LED 30 years. I'll be retired or dead.
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I thought there were rules in place to stop manufacturing incandescent bulbs?
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I thought there were rules in place to stop manufacturing incandescent bulbs?
Not halogen.
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Not halogen.
Thanks! Wasn't sure.
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Life span of LED 30 years. I'll be retired or dead.
First off not really, they fail all the time.

But more important is that many people don't like the look of LED's, and halogen lamps are still very much available.

So.....it could happen.
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Thanks! Wasn't sure.
Here's a good read on the subject MechD

https://www.energystar.gov/ia/produc....pdf?6bd2-3775
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I'm not really following the original premise of this thread. It's like saying that you put #14 on a 20A breaker and it worked just fine with a space heater all day. Sure, that can be expected. But what about after a month of use, or a year?
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I'm not really following the original premise of this thread. It's like saying that you put #14 on a 20A breaker and it worked just fine with a space heater all day. Sure, that can be expected. But what about after a month of use, or a year?
Leaving it on all day will tell you if it triggers the thermal cutout, no?
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Leaving it on all day will tell you if it triggers the thermal cutout, no?
Will it?

Or could it have been hovering around the breaking point, but not pass it because it was cold?

One single 7 hour test with no control just don't seem like conclusive evidence to me, especially when it comes to something like this which carries liability.
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Will it?

Or could it have been hovering around the breaking point, but not pass it because it was cold?

One single 7 hour test with no control just don't seem like conclusive evidence to me, especially when it comes to something like this which carries liability.
Are you saying it could fail in the summer? Maybe.
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Are you saying it could fail in the summer? Maybe.
LOL, was my point really not understandable?
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LOL, was my point really not understandable?
No, that's why I asked. When you say "cold" are you saying ambient? "Cold" can mean a few things.

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Now that LED retrofits are so popular, I watched an insulation contractor bury a NON-IC rated can with R30 insulation bats. Stuffed around it pretty well.

We left the light on all day, never overheated the thermal safety in the can.
11 watt LED retrofit.

Guess it doesn't matter so much anymore................
You're less risk averse than I am.
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Now that LED retrofits are so popular, I watched an insulation contractor bury a NON-IC rated can with R30 insulation bats. Stuffed around it pretty well.

We left the light on all day, never overheated the thermal safety in the can.
11 watt LED retrofit.

Guess it doesn't matter so much anymore................
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I'm not really following the original premise of this thread. It's like saying that you put #14 on a 20A breaker and it worked just fine with a space heater all day. Sure, that can be expected. But what about after a month of use, or a year?
OR after they plug in TWO space heaters?
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The original scenario was just a CF. There are all kinds of idiot contractors and construction workers out there that shouldn't be doing wiring, and in this case, that shouldn't be doing stuff AROUND wiring.
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