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02-06-2009, 01:07 AM
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Panel pictures
This might be on another forum, but resi guys lets see your panels! 
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02-06-2009, 06:51 AM
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That is beautiful work.As an EC I appreciate the time taken to make your work look good. I tell my workers speed is not everything but we certainly have to weigh the speed versus the time spent to make it look good.
One point I will make. It has always been my interpretation that art. 200.7(C) requires the white conductor being used as a ungrounded conductor needs to be taped the entire length. Am I incorrect? I have always done that but thought it was a waste of tape.
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02-06-2009, 08:15 AM
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Come on Mike. That thing looks like crap. 
What's with the 2" KO seal? 
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02-06-2009, 08:16 AM
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BTW, nice job! 
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02-06-2009, 09:03 AM
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Very neat work. Nice job.
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02-06-2009, 10:03 AM
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looks pretty good
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02-06-2009, 10:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by electricista
... It has always been my interpretation that art. 200.7(C) requires the white conductor being used as a ungrounded conductor needs to be taped the entire length. Am I incorrect? I have always done that but thought it was a waste of tape.
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I think you are incorrect. I usually tape about an inch
or so and have never had a problem.
Back to the OP, beautiful work!
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02-06-2009, 11:08 AM
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I may have posted this before, but here's mine:
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02-06-2009, 02:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeg_05
This might be on another forum, but resi guys lets see your panels! |
thats sw e e t ...nice job 
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02-06-2009, 02:26 PM
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We should have the option to buy a glass cover for our panels. It would expose the real hacks.
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02-06-2009, 02:34 PM
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Very nice makeup....But twisting the grounds makes for tough removal (Panel change etc.) Otherwise LOOKS GREAT!
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02-06-2009, 02:38 PM
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Quote:
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We should have the option to buy a glass cover for our panels. It would expose the real hacks.
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I've heard some places in Europe that's SOP..... plexi covers.
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02-06-2009, 04:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeg_05
This might be on another forum, but resi guys lets see your panels! |
To quote from Marc Shunk, if I saw you making a panel that neat, I would say: "That looks great. Now get back to work."
Sorry to rain on your parade, but that level of neatness is absurd. What purpose does twisting the grounds together serve, other than making the next guy curse like a drunken sailor when he has to deal with it?
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02-06-2009, 05:38 PM
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this trade needs more people who take pride in there work and treat the electrical trade as a skilled craft and not as a typical construction job. i cant stand the hurry and get it done attitude i hear people say. i would rather spend an extra hour to make something look like a professional as been there and not someone trying to hurry and go to the next one
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02-06-2009, 07:25 PM
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Commercial Panel with a little extra something. 
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02-06-2009, 07:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter D
To quote from Marc Shunk, if I saw you making a panel that neat, I would say: "That looks great. Now get back to work."
Sorry to rain on your parade, but that level of neatness is absurd. What purpose does twisting the grounds together serve, other than making the next guy curse like a drunken sailor when he has to deal with it?
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I think his panel looks great! Probably took him 15 minutes longer than if the wires were thrown in helter skelter.
Twisting the grounds? takes an extra minute, looks good, what's the problem?
How often do you rip wires out of a panel?
Only thing I do differently is I leave all conductors that go to the breakers all the same length, about 4" longer than the panel. I'm a big believer in keeping enough wire to move breakers around.
Every panel should look like that.
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02-06-2009, 07:53 PM
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I agree, it is a real neat job. But , an extra minute to twist the grounds together ? That would have to take longer than that. I dont really get the point of the twist i guess.
If im paying someone , and they do that, we would have to talk.I e seen people take hours to do a panel like that, and at 30 bucks an hour,is it really needed ?? 480's panel is just fine , and Im sure it was done much faster
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02-06-2009, 08:10 PM
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Quote:
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How often do you rip wires out of a panel?
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All the time.
Service changes, upgrades, panel swaps......
Obviously, that panel won't have to be changed for years, but I hope I'm not the person doing it.
I won't dispute that it looks good, but there simply is no good reason to twist the EGCs like that.
Besides that, good job!
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02-06-2009, 08:20 PM
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I think all of the panels pictured looked very good and showed very good workmanship. I don't personally twist the grounds because I agree that if you have to take it apart it makes it more difficult. Having said that, I am sure there are plenty of things that I do that many would think were unnecessary or strange.
Good work fellas!!!
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02-06-2009, 08:37 PM
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Why two ground bars? 
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