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Looks like an Isolated Ground.
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02-06-2009, 08:45 PM
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Looks like an Isolated Ground.
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OK, now I see the #10 ground in the top left.
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02-06-2009, 09:00 PM
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OK, now I see the #10 ground in the top left.
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02-06-2009, 09:00 PM
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Gotta disagree Ken - I'm told it beats the alternative.... 
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02-06-2009, 09:02 PM
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Very neat work. Nice job.
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+1 but......
It all depends on who you want to impress, yourself, your boss, the customer or the inspector.
I you want to impress yourself, it’s pretty easy to do a real good job and take a lot of time so you can do it.
Your boss may want a good looking job but might not be willing to pay you for the extra time to do it.
The customer may not even see the work and they will want the cheapest price for the work .“see boss motive” .
If you are trying to impress the inspector it may well work. If you can dazzle him with a real good looking panel, he may overlook something else that is not quite right.
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02-06-2009, 09:05 PM
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Gotta disagree Ken - I'm told it beats the alternative.... |
If the alternative is moving to Florida...I agree. 
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02-06-2009, 09:10 PM
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I thought it was #10 going to the bottom bar.
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02-06-2009, 10:18 PM
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Heres a few panels I did recently, working on 2 more currently. With a little extra.
And a pic of the network rack in my server room.
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02-06-2009, 10:22 PM
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Nice work! Just one question for you all, are you allowed to run branch circuits through the main breaker compartment? You can't do that here...
Last edited by cdnelectrician; 02-06-2009 at 10:25 PM.
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02-06-2009, 10:30 PM
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Nice work! Just one question for you all, are you allowed to run branch circuits through the main breaker compartment? You can't do that here...
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Our panels don't have main breaker compartments. What you see is exactly how they are.
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02-06-2009, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by heel600
I think his panel looks great! Probably took him 15 minutes longer than if the wires were thrown in helter skelter.
Twisting the grounds? takes an extra minute, looks good, what's the problem?
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I think it looks great too. I never said that it didn't look good.
What's the problem? The grounds are all twisted together. There is no reason whatsoever to do that. None at all. Complete waste of time.
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02-06-2009, 10:39 PM
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Heres a few panels I did recently, working on 2 more currently. With a little extra.
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Personally, I would have 180'd the panel so the lugs would be on the bottom. Save some copper.
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02-06-2009, 10:53 PM
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Pic in the OP looks good, but if I were the boss on that job I'd have to have a chat with the guy who did the work and tell him that as I appreciate the quality of the work, the time took to do it is not necessary. There's neat and then there's overkill, that's overkill.
If it were my personal house I'd do it, but not for a normal resi job.
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02-06-2009, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter D
To quote from Marc Shunk, if I saw you making a panel that neat, I would say: "That looks great. Now get back to work."
Sorry to rain on your parade, but that level of neatness is absurd. What purpose does twisting the grounds together serve, other than making the next guy curse like a drunken sailor when he has to deal with it?
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I have to agree with Mark that looks great now get back to work. 
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02-06-2009, 11:40 PM
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I have to agree with Mark that looks great now get back to work. |
Just so we are clear, I said that using Marc's line of "That looks great. Now get back to work." I just took it from him and applied it to this situation. Marc hasn't given his 2 cents in this thread yet.
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02-07-2009, 12:02 AM
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Personally, I would have 180'd the panel so the lugs would be on the bottom. Save some copper.
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Absolutely, done that many-o-times. Homeowners don't know the difference and certainly don't care. As long as it's labeled correctly and neatly you're good to go.
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02-07-2009, 12:22 AM
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Come on Mike. That thing looks like crap. 
What's with the 2" KO seal?  |
lol i know i know, for sure a "dough" moment.
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02-07-2009, 12:26 AM
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I twist my grounds like that as well, and I can say without doubt, it takes maybe 15 seconds per pair of grounds to twist them. It takes no time at all. By the way, the "pain in the butt for a service change" deal is a bunch of bunk in my eyes. The way my panels are done, if someone is going to do a service change, simply loosen the grounds on the bar, the nuetrals on the bar and the breaker screw and take the locknut off the romex connector and put in new panel and do the reverse of what you just did. It doesn't get much easier than that.
I too think the original post panel looks nice, but I would be pissd if I was paying that guy. Maybe in my own house, but thats it.
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02-07-2009, 12:49 AM
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Quote:
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Personally, I would have 180'd the panel so the lugs would be on the bottom. Save some copper.
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Well, that would make sence, and the panel is labeled to be in either direction, I just prefer to have the main on the top. I also had a small coil of #2 on the truck, so I want really wasting, just using up scrap. I would have to have extended all the noodles as well, which I really hate wirenuts in a panel if at all possible.This was on the other side, so you can see why I had to come in so low:
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02-07-2009, 02:47 PM
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I don't see the reasoning for twisting the grounding conductors
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