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03-27-2009, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter D
To quote from Marc Shunk, if I saw you making a panel that neat, I would say: "That looks great. Now get back to work."
Sorry to rain on your parade, but that level of neatness is absurd. What purpose does twisting the grounds together serve, other than making the next guy curse like a drunken sailor when he has to deal with it?
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That is a great comment. and from a business owners perspective very true, especially in these trying times and guys cutting each others throats. I wouldnt mind if it was a really slow week of the guy doing it can do it in a reasonable amount of time but many times I see guys spend a whole day on cutting in a panel. That dosent make for a good profit margin. I personally would reserve that kind of work for a VIP customer or if I am already charging them ALOT more money to do so.
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03-28-2009, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Yillis
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Thats excellent work man
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04-21-2009, 01:54 AM
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what colour is your earth cable?? is it unsheathed in the states?? here it is green/yellow sheathing....
BS
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04-21-2009, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by blindside
what colour is your earth cable?? is it unsheathed in the states?? here it is green/yellow sheathing....
BS
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Bare copper or green. The only time we use green/yellow here, which isnt always either, is for isolated ground circuits.
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04-21-2009, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CFL
This isn't exactly true. If the boss gives you X amount of time to complete the job and you hustle in order to do a neater job then that's the opposite of stealing, that's giving. I have always been a neat freak and I am consistently faster in completing my jobs than my coworkers. I choose not to cut corners and I have to pay for it (physically).
Personally, I hate it when people twist their wires together. It does look cool, but I have had to untwist them many times and those wires will never look good again.
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For some in business, everything has to boil down to a dollar figure. Time = money. The need for imperfect and falliable human beings with a conciousness notwithstanding...
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04-21-2009, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TOOL_5150
Bare copper or green. The only time we use green/yellow here, which isnt always either, is for isolated ground circuits.
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I see a lot of green w/yellow on light fi.......err.... luminaires.
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04-21-2009, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TOOL_5150
Heres a few panels I did recently, working on 2 more currently. With a little extra.
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Beautiful job TOOL. Can you please tell
me if is a 200 amp panel and the size of the conduit and feeders?
Is it a sub panel or is it a main panel with a remote main breaker?
I apologize in advance for being a dumb***. Wait a minute. Even if it had a remote
main, it would still need a main in the panel right? I don't know. I give up.....good thing I'm
not active in the trade any more.
Last edited by luby104; 04-22-2009 at 07:55 PM.
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04-21-2009, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeg_05
This might be on another forum, but resi guys lets see your panels! 
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While it looks good and a bit of overkill, if this is the Main panel I see NO MBJ installed.
Tom
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04-21-2009, 08:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 3rdGen
Very nice makeup....But twisting the grounds makes for tough removal (Panel change etc.) Otherwise LOOKS GREAT!
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I agree. I mean I can totally appreciate the neatness and I think it looks great, but I think the only time I would approve of this is if its kind of slow and the worker doesn't mind staying on his time to make it look this good.
Two years ago I would have had a different opinion on this but now that I have my own business its another story.
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04-22-2009, 05:06 PM
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I'm thinking it's probably just a sub panel since there is no main breaker.
And doesn't need a MBJ.
Am I even close???
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04-22-2009, 07:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by luby104
I'm thinking it's probably just a sub panel since there is no main breaker.
And doesn't need a MBJ.
Am I even close??? 
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That big breaker in the middle suggests it is a Main panel. I see no green screw or strap installed to bond the nuetral bus to the can.
Tom
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04-22-2009, 07:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by davis9
That big breaker in the middle suggests it is a Main panel. I see no green screw or strap installed to bond the nuetral bus to the can.
Tom 
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The first picture, which is the one I think they are asking about, does not have a "big breaker in the middle"
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04-22-2009, 07:26 PM
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Yes it does.
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04-23-2009, 11:57 AM
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We call that the top...
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04-23-2009, 01:26 PM
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Yes it does.

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You are correct, I was talking about this one.
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04-23-2009, 07:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LawnGuyLandSparky
We call that the top...
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Left to Right it is in the Middle.
Tom
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04-23-2009, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BDB
You are correct, I was talking about this one.

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Ah yes there would be no Main in that panel
Tom
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04-28-2009, 05:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 480sparky
Personally, I would have 180'd the panel so the lugs would be on the bottom. Save some copper.
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I'm curious - How can you have 16 SP breakers and only 10 neutrals?
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04-28-2009, 05:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muck
I'm curious - How can you have 16 SP breakers and only 10 neutrals?
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Multiwire branch circuits aka sharing a neutral. Yes, it is code legal.
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04-28-2009, 05:28 PM
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14/3 nm or 12/3 nm, can't the neutral be shared?
Maybe? Heck, I don't know
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