Bartknowsbest

Its strange, we have been selling PS1200s, PS32 and 3400's for 18 months now and have 95% happy customers, especially the commercial units. Everyone admits capacitors work, they have been used for Power Factor correction for over 50 years in industrial settings yet some guys think the earth is flat - "its a scam!".
If a customer has a variety of motor load - ie lots of pumps, compressors and motors at least one of them is cycling on and off more than not and so the in-rush current is reduced and here in CA where the top tier charge is $0.24 a KWH they pay off. They do not work for small homes with little if any motor load so we avoid selling them into those homes.
They really work for small businesses and we are happily making good bucks installing these. I am not sure about all the manufacturers but we deal with Power- Save and they are always very professional - they have to be they are publicly traded on NYSE.
So if you insist the earth is flat that is fine by me, more opportunity for the rest of us to make money.

brian john

You sir are one of the following.

A. Either have not followed the post.
B. Have no clue what you are talking about
C. Are dishonest.
D. All of the above.

I hope it is B.

So assuming you know something about this product explain how it works.

PF correction is not a one box fits all, it has to be ENGINEERED for the site based upon specific load, just dumping a "BLACK BOX" onto a site does not necessarily correct the issue with pf. In addition there is NO PENALTY FOR poor pf in the residential and light commercial market.

Oh never mind sell your snake oil and sooner or later Consumer Products will out this FARCE you install.

brian john

yes it is, because these things have been debunked by experts and snake oil crooks continue to peddle this crap.

Like DUH capacitors do work, but in the applications you sell them for they DO NOT


Yes it is a SCAM

Scottcam

Hello everyone, first post...I tried to read the whole thread but getting past Donfta's poor grammar and attitude was just too hard.

I am an intrumentation engineer, I have a small CNC laser that is hooked up to a 3/4hp Dayton blower and a 1/8hp air brush style pump. I run my operation out of my home so it is "residential" I am wondering if something like this would actually work in my specific situation. I know they are useless for regular residential applications but I run two motors all day, and they do get turned on and off constantly. I have figured out that running my business cost me about 100 more a month due to the motors (laser does not eat much at all but it does have 8 AC bi-axial fans built into it to cool the tube)

I will not be buying one of these but I am considering building one, although I only deal with DC my brother in law is a journeyman (and should be registering here soon) So I am going to pick his brain when I build it.


So honestly, do you all think it is worth a shot? I seem to have the ideal situation going for something like this to work

nick

Well kinda noticed that each month or so someone is trying to ask what we think about these power savers? But when we tell them its not going to work they get real upset why ? OK i would like to test one send me one to play with ill test it and then post what i find ive got a 400amp service on my house and three phase. I also have one 5 hp & 7 hp 3 ph motors in my shop send it to me ill run it for few months we know it will work on a motor pf but the size of most appliances in our homes are not worth the price of the power factor correction and most already have correct caps built in today there energy effeicient today were talking pennys saved in a home .These are for a commercial area are we correct in that statment or wrong . pm me then send me one . oh and yes you can make and build your own correction caps its simple but its for just one motor by itself ,multi motors must have a auto adjust kvar cap bank like commercial services be safe

Scottcam

was this directed at me?

nick

Well not really unless you sell the energy power savors ? But you can make your own if you like , there is formulas and you just need a watt meter to give ya true power thats how the bigg time industrial plants do it but its only a small amount unless you have lots of motors at home to me its not worth the effort but it does work you do save pennys . Best to ya

Scottcam

ok that's what I needed to hear, if I am running one motor for many hours a day it is still not worth it, ok cool, thanks for the info, I just wanted to be sure I was wasteing my time. My brother in law was baffeled by the claims too and he is a damn good electrician.

take it easy guys

brian john

If you build one build several sized for each motor. But your bill will be the same.

http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/powerfactor.html

Celtic

Set Right Up:

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brian john

I have had it with the shysters.

So I have a deal for any of the DISHONEST CROOKS taking advantage of those marks that think there are free lunches.

GIVE ME HARD PROFF BY A RECONIZED TESTING LAB OR ADMIT you are ripping off the public. Give me the proof and I will send you the cash for one and you get to keep the junk.

None of this hear say,
None of this Well channel 7 says.
None of you lies BECAUSE YOU ARE LIARS hiding behind 1/2 truths.

If you sell this product or any of the other crap ENERGY SAVERS you are a dishonest crook.

Put the proof out or stay out of this site. (I have no power to ban you, just my wish).

bauler

Jeez it doesn't work. You don't need weeks or months to test it. Run a motor load, plug in your "power saver" . Put a amp meter on it before and after and you should be using less power with the "power saver" on. Some people will believe anything, or they're out to rip people off.

MDShunk

I've actually deleted and banned a good many of them. Not because they broke any rules necessarily, but because they piss me off.

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Scottcam

I'll tell ya, the best places to get info these days hands down are Internet forums like this one, I am a member of several auto and Marine forums and you can always find the best info from guys who are not trying to sell something to you and are pros in said industry. That's why I know I will never even bother looking at a unit like this again and I plan on telling anyone who askes not to bother too.

MDShunk

Power factor correction has benefit in industry, but they are engineered solutions with sometimes complex control systems. They're provided by recognizable names like Square D, GE, ABB, and so fourth.

In a house, a customer of these black boxes might well be satisfied, but that doesn't mean that they're saving any money. Satisfaction is a feeling, not a measurement.

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brian john

My son the brain (well he'd like to think so) pointed out Power-Saver does not lie they claim to save up to 25% and 0%-25% is included in up to 25%.

Also they have information about tax credits BUT I do not believe they qualify for a tax credit.

Do a YouTube search for cheesy commercials.

nick

Well they must be tuned like a IC/RC circuit to that motor if you understand dc like you said in your post at 60 cycles your motor will be lagging current so the capacitors make current lead this improves current and voltage on load but it must not be store made for everyone one power savor for all !! It must be tuned to your motor and at the motor location not on your service panel on your home right at motor to be usefull .It actually increases the current and the voltage on motor line buy the balance of current to voltage bad power factor voltage is slighty lower to motor so it uses less power but its bad for that motor it really needs good voltage at its rating so if you improve PF you use more power in real life . there lots of different ways to look at it best to yas

brian john

So based on the last two supporters of Power Savers can we assume, they stop by so proud of their product giving no evidence of it's purported saving, then they are hit with some facts and they disappear with their tails between their legs to peddle their crap?

JohnJ0906

Sure seems like it.

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jrannis

I dont think a motor load that small would benefit unless you had maybe 20 or more operating at the same time.

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