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06-29-2009, 05:34 PM
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Service disconnect - 400A residential
Doing the typical 400A nom 320A cont residential service feeding 2-200A main lug panels. Outside disconnect is required. Usually we spec out Siemens or Square D meter main with 2-200A main breakers to feed the load panels which are distributed inside the house.
Well, I just got the quote from our supply house for the Siemens meter main at more than $3k, Square D is higher. That won't fly.
So, I am looking for a separate 4 or 6 slot service disconnect rated at 400A to mount adjacent to the meter socket. Looking through the catalogs at the supply house, we can't seem to find anything that will work.
Anybody use this setup? Who's disconnect do you use?
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06-29-2009, 05:47 PM
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Electrical Contractor
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I usually just use 2-200 amp Midwest disconnects. Any reason why you have to have 1-400 as opposed to 2-200's?
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06-29-2009, 05:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vermaraj
Doing the typical 400A nom 320A cont residential service feeding 2-200A main lug panels. Outside disconnect is required. Usually we spec out Siemens or Square D meter main with 2-200A main breakers to feed the load panels which are distributed inside the house.
Well, I just got the quote from our supply house for the Siemens meter main at more than $3k, Square D is higher. That won't fly.
So, I am looking for a separate 4 or 6 slot service disconnect rated at 400A to mount adjacent to the meter socket. Looking through the catalogs at the supply house, we can't seem to find anything that will work.
Anybody use this setup? Who's disconnect do you use?
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Gosh I believe we pay less than $500.00 for a Cutler Hammer combo panel 400 amp Single Phase. Heck I'll sell it to you for $1,000 and you pay the shipping.
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06-29-2009, 05:59 PM
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Join Date: May 2009
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NYC and you have a 400 amp service on a residence? Wow, everything is gas there.
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06-29-2009, 07:29 PM
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Wire Ninja
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Beautiful Cumberland Valley, in PA
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Spec that meter-main in Milbank and see what kind of price they come back with.
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06-29-2009, 07:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mdshunk
spec that meter-main in milbank and see what kind of price they come back with. 
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$1300.
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06-29-2009, 08:10 PM
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Or try Durham
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06-29-2009, 08:33 PM
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Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Residential?
I can buy a 400 amp 40 space meter/main(s) at The Home Depot for about $500. Seimans, Gutler Hammer or Homeline  One 200 amp breaker for the 40 space bus and one 200 amp breaker for an additional panel that you put wherever you like.
Commercial?
We have two local manufacturers that will build a can with the meter socket and two 200 amp pullouts for about $800. Probably less now
I see it's resi.
Just run half your circuits outside to the 40 spaces available (AZ style) and put a second panel inside for the other half.
Last edited by 220/221; 06-29-2009 at 08:37 PM.
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06-29-2009, 08:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 220/221
Residential?
I can buy a 400 amp 40 space meter/main(s) at The Home Depot for about $500. Seimans, Gutler Hammer or Homeline 
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Gutler Hammer? Sounds painful.
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06-29-2009, 08:36 PM
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Wire Ninja
Join Date: Jan 2007
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A 200 amp pullout? Does that require a come-along to remove it and a rubber hammer to put it back in?
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06-29-2009, 08:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 220/221
Residential?
I can buy a 400 amp 40 space meter/main(s) at The Home Depot for about $500. Seimans, Gutler Hammer or Homeline 
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Lucky you. A Milbank 400 amp meter main with two-200 amp disconnects does indeed cost $1300.
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06-29-2009, 08:37 PM
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Chief Electron Relocator
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MDShunk
A 200 amp pullout? Does that require a come-along to remove it and a rubber hammer to put it back in?
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Jes' use a rope and your bumper.
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In winter, why do we try to keep the house as warm as it was in summer when we complained about the heat?
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06-29-2009, 08:40 PM
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A 200 amp pullout? Does that require a come-along to remove it and a rubber hammer to put it back in?
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Don't you guys own forearms?
The pullouts are not much bigger than a 60 amp pullout. They use JJN fuses about 2" long.
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06-29-2009, 08:43 PM
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child please.....
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 220/221
Residential?
I can buy a 400 amp 40 space meter/main(s) at The Home Depot for about $500. Seimans, Gutler Hammer or Homeline  One 200 amp breaker for the 40 space bus and one 200 amp breaker for an additional panel that you put wherever you like.
Commercial?
We have two local manufacturers that will build a can with the meter socket and two 200 amp pullouts for about $800. Probably less now
I see it's resi.
Just run half your circuits outside to the 40 spaces available (AZ style) and put a second panel inside for the other half.
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The Home Depot here doesn't stock anything over 200 amps...That would be interesting if they did.
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06-29-2009, 08:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 220/221
Don't you guys own forearms?........
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Sure we do!
Oh, you said f orearms! Sorry!
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In winter, why do we try to keep the house as warm as it was in summer when we complained about the heat?
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06-29-2009, 08:44 PM
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I didn't click.
I was afraid you were going to say foreskins.
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06-29-2009, 08:47 PM
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Chief Electron Relocator
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 220/221
I didn't click.
I was afraid you were going to say foreskins.
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But you can hover.........
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In winter, why do we try to keep the house as warm as it was in summer when we complained about the heat?
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06-29-2009, 08:52 PM
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Wire Ninja
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 220/221
Don't you guys own forearms?
The pullouts are not much bigger than a 60 amp pullout. They use JJN fuses about 2" long.
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I remember now. Square D used to make a QO panel that had a main pullout instead of a breaker to get the 22K interrupt rating. You're right... it's not much bigger than a range pullout in the old fuse panels. I forgot.
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06-30-2009, 02:37 PM
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Why not use a 320 amp meter pan with double lugs on the load side and put in 2-200 MB panels instead?
Or do the disco's need to be located outside?
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07-04-2009, 05:31 PM
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Location: Richmond, Virginia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 220/221
Residential?
I can buy a 400 amp 40 space meter/main(s) at The Home Depot for about $500. Seimans, Gutler Hammer or Homeline  One 200 amp breaker for the 40 space bus and one 200 amp breaker for an additional panel that you put wherever you like.
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Or a 200a ATS.
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