MDShunk

I've had that type of training, but the bad part is that something like a 4 cal suit can be more than you need -or worse- less than you need, to get in to verify that the equipment is deenergized.

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Wirenuting

Oops, I went to type 8 cal.

Now I'm double safe right? LoL

I have fought this battle here and gave up.
I feel bad for the young guys starting out here as they don't know any better.

Most successful bosses surround themselves with the smartest people they can find.
Here they surround themselves stupid people so they look the smartest.

A clogged toilet is a bigger emergency then a smoking breaker.

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MDShunk

Such is often the case for the maintenance operation. The tasks that will make the most amount of people happy get the highest priority.

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Big John

That's what always pissed me off about the peer-pressure to do hot work: Very often it gets applied to young, ignorant guys who end up getting convinced that taking unnecessary risks is what makes them a "real" electrician.

If you want to risk damage or personal injury, it's your prerogative, but it's not anyone's place to encourage others to take that risk.

-John

Wirenuting

I agree with you.
One of our biggest problems is having supervision that has no real trade experience.
Most of the new guys just finished a maintenance apprenticeship that gave them a "rounded" training. They were not rotated with the older tradesmen. They sat in class, gun decked their daily logs and were called trained. Management gave themselves pats on the back for a job well done.

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noarcflash

just today, at an office building. trans S pan, 208Y. the 800amp main hasn't been excerised in 25-30 years. Do you think I'm going to excersise a 3 phase 800 amp main that hasn't been touched in 25 years. not me, not even with a remote operator. there are no replacements available if it doesn't reset. probably call for a panel replacement, and a week long outage should the main not reset.
The pad mount belongs to the poco. pulling the meter does nothing.
What do you do ???? walk away from the job, and make 20 phone calls to schedule the poco, and building manager to be on site at midnight. there is alot of planning and thought into a pad mount shut down. temp lighting, temp power.

Zog

There are replacements and I would bring one along, or at least have it ready in the shop.

Yes there is, many companies do this all the time. Try shutting down a Ford plant, or a NASA facility, or a Google server. Those take real planning.

noarcflash

OK, I'll get you the make and model #. You can order me a main breaker.

socalelect

I bet zog has one on the shelf

noarcflash

just remembered, it's an LDP panel board. I believe it's made by Federal Pacific. 1980 era.

I think FPE changed names many times. Wouldn't even know where to look for parts.

Zog

80's? Thats new stuff, and you are confusing Federal Pacific and FPE Federal Pioneer Equipment, I have a ton of both up to 4000A.

nolabama

If he does not have it on the shelf, replace the panel. No questions asked.

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nolabama

Breaker guru. Show the pic of the shop....

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noarcflash

that's great. local supply houses don't want to take the time to research older parts.

I'll get the exact #'s next time out.