Mr. Sparkle

Sorry for such a vague inquiry.....I really do not have much more detail or experience beyond what I am about to ask.

Does anyone here have any experience installing the instrumentation equipment at gas stations?

All I know of at this moment is it will consist of some sort of card reader system, tank level sensors, and obviously it's all gotta be explosion proof .....that is it really.

Like I said, I have never done this type of work before but just talked to a GC who has the contract for laying all the rigid in the ground, I would be in charge of running all the wires and hooking everything up outside of the stubs. Any info on this type of work would be greatly appreciated, I can't imagine it being rocket surgery, er.. I mean brain science.

Thanks in advance.

*Moderators, can you please move this to the motors and controls forum? It may be better suited there, my bad.

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nolabama

i do

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Toronto Sparky

This is the only system I ever installed..
I have the installation CD around here somewhere..

I found it ... But it's 105 megs

http://www.veeder.com/page/home

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hardworkingstiff

Yes, if you get a list of equipment being installed it will be easier to help you.in the dispenser unit or free standing?sump sensors too?not necessarily No, it's not rocket surgery, but if you aren't familiar with the nuances, you can lose your shirt.

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David Channell

Gas Station work is like rocket science. If you don't know what you are doing, you can blow up a gas station or kill someone or your self. I have 25 years experience in gas stations and it takes me a couple years to train someone to work on their own at a gas station. You have to know where and how to seal the conduits, what intrinsically safe equipment and circuits are and how to keep them separate from circuits with voltage. You have to know what needs to be explosion proof and what does not. You cannot learn this in two hours or two weeks. Why would a GC ask an electrician without gas station experience? You also have to be certified to install wiring to dispenser, monitoring and card reader systems. Good luck!
David Channell, Service Station Electric Inc.

Mr. Sparkle

Dave,

I am not doing this thing blind if it pans out, I am not that stupid...don't worry.

I have already made some contacts with some local people who have done this type of work to assist me if I get the job. It is my understanding that I will be installing Veeder Root systems, similar to the one posted above. As a business owner would you walk away from the opportunity? Even though I have over ten years in the trade and am a License holder in my state I still have plenty to learn in the electrical field, but as a business owner I do not need to possess the ability to perform the task. In all honesty, I only need the ability to get the work, the labor pool is deep with knowledge at this point in time.

With that being said, welcome to the forum and thanks for your future help with all of the questions I may have for you.

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David Channell

In California, installers of Veeder-Root monitoring equipment must be certified by Veeder-Root and be able to show the start up tech. your cert. number. He is not supposed to start up the system is the installer is not certified. You can get certified on line, but it will take awhile to pass the test if you have no experience. You are right, if you can find someone to hire who has the certification or can get certified you can do the job. It's not easy to find workers here in Calif. We've tried to train about two dozen over the last three years as our business has grown, and only one liked it well enough to keep with it. You can get a booklet on hazardous location electrical from Appleton, it has lots of pix to help train your people.
David Channell, Service Station Electric Inc.

nolabama

this certification cost money?

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David Channell

Yes, it does cost. I believe it is $175 for level one, that allows you to install the equipment and shielded cables, but you cannot turn on the equipment without voiding the warrantee. I don't know what it costs for level's 2 thru 5, because I did not want to do the start ups. That is a specialty that takes a lot more training and takes too much time away from all the other installing we do. Around here, Sacramento Valley, the start up people are not usually electricians and they do not build anything or run conduit. Technitions and electricians are usually two different animals.
You can go on line and look for Veeder-Root and then training.

nolabama

I did pull up Veeder-Roots site and I cant get a number back from them to apply. $175 is not bad for that certification.

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