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Old 11-04-2010, 10:10 AM   #21
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I know dozens of apartment complexes on this island still running FPE distribution, in fact i resided in one in my early 20's. It took the vacuum, TV and all the lights at once to trip a 15. I was fine with that. I think their failures goes by batches, I have seen some FPE breakers that are functional produced in the early to mid 60's

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Old 11-04-2010, 11:52 AM   #22
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Thanks for the pics of the ties.... Now I need to find them.
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I found it, thanks!
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Another point no one brought up yet..I was always under the impression that a handle tie DOES NOT insure that if one pole trips that all three will go off, as the force required to turn the breaker off from the handle is somewhat high and not consistent. And even FPE brakers are supposedly of a "trip-free" design, so if the handle is restrained, the trip mechanism will still trip the breaker.

I believe the purpose of external handle ties is only to disconnect multiple circuits manually, as in the case with MWBC as of 2008 Code cycle.

But since FPE breakers never trip anyways, I guess in this case it doesn't matter.

In any event, this smacks of a very bad idea and I see some burned-out 3 phase equipment in Reasy's future.

I personally would either get the proper 3-pole breakers or not do it at all, too much liability involved.

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............In any event, this smacks of a very bad idea and I see some burned-out 3 phase equipment in Reasy's future...........
Well, at least we tried telling him that, but he's probably gotten the information he wanted and he'll never return.
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In any event, this smacks of a very bad idea and I see some burned-out 3 phase equipment in Reasy's future.
I sense the possibility of a service call for another contractor.
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I sense the possibility of a service call for another contractor.

Or the local FD..........
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Or the local FD..........
Hey, a complete rewire after a burn down, even better.
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Ironic since you're the one who gave him the info!!

Can we say OOPS?
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Conneticut electric- didn't they make the counterfiet SQ D breakers ?
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Ironic since you're the one who gave him the info!!

Can we say OOPS?

He'll burn the place down, with out without me. I could care less.
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Another point no one brought up yet..I was always under the impression that a handle tie DOES NOT insure that if one pole trips that all three will go off, as the force required to turn the breaker off from the handle is somewhat high and not consistent. And even FPE brakers are supposedly of a "trip-free" design, so if the handle is restrained, the trip mechanism will still trip the breaker.

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But since FPE breakers never trip anyways, I guess in this case it doesn't matter.

In any event, this smacks of a very bad idea and I see some burned-out 3 phase equipment in Reasy's future.

I personally would either get the proper 3-pole breakers or not do it at all, too much liability involved.
not to mention single pole breakers are not listed for 240 v

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