Government job wages - Page 2 - Electrician Talk - Professional Electrical Contractors Forum

crazy electrician · 04-11-2012, 07:42 PM

In Illinois the PW rate is $38.98.

jrannis · 04-11-2012, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hardworkingstiff

How many of you guys would actually work for the "government mandated minimum wage" for this job (it's installing controls and power for an aircraft fueling system).

WAGE RATES
Attached is one copy of the Department of Labor Decision covering approved minimum
wage rates for your AlP Project. The Department of Labor wage rates should be made a
part of the contract documents. If superseding wage rates are received in our office a
minimum of ten days prior to bid opening, the new rates will be applicable for this project,
unless the FAA makes a determination that there is insufficient time to notify bidders.
It is the sponsors responsibility to determine which schedule of classifications and rates is
applicable to the project; however, we will assist if needed. Please insure that the copies
included in the project specifications are clear and legible.
US DEPARTMENT OF LABOR
General Decision Number: NC1 001 1309/30/2011 NC1 13
State: North Carolina
Construction Type: Heavy
Counties: Alexander, Burke, CaIdwell and Catawba Counties in
North Carolina.
HEAVY CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS
FP-14
Modification Number Publication Date
0 09/30/2011
SUNC2O1 1-057 08/26/2011
Rates Fringes
CARPENTER, Includes Form Work... $ 13.98 0.69
ELECTRICIAN $ 15.41 3.13
LABORER: Common or General $ 11.30 1.53
LABORER: Pipelayer $ 12.66 2.50
OPERATOR:
Backhoe/Excavator/Trackhoe $ 15.97 2.25
OPERATOR: Bulldozer $ 14.63 0.00

I hope I never get to the point that I would have to work for these wages.

You can thank the IEC and ABC for shilling down the wages by stuffing in false data.

don_resqcapt19 · 04-12-2012, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by crazy electrician

In Illinois the PW rate is $38.98.

It changes by your local area. It is $39.10 plus $26.95 in benefits where I am at.

Wirenuting · 04-12-2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by don_resqcapt19

It changes by your local area. It is $39.10 plus $26.95 in benefits where I am at.

$39 is almost my OT rate. And forget the extra $26.. :-(

Greg · 04-13-2012, 07:24 PM

Everyone talks about the prevailing wages sucking hind tit but last year I did a HVAC controls job at NASA and my prevailing wage was $38 and some change, for FL that is pretty awesome.

And my dumb self closed the job out ahead of schedule. The wife was saying can you milk it any longer,

but my ethics said, no. At least I walked away knowing I did the right thing.

If you guys only knew the amount of waste in the Gov't. I now know, Wirenut will probably agree. If the Gov't had to turn a profit they wouldn't even know where to begin. I was told a month ago to spend an extra $300.00 on a GE Spectra Series II panel (extra spare breakers) so we could get free shipping, the kicker is the shipping was only $100.00. WTF

Depending on what I need, I will order from Rexel, HD Supply, or Grainger

. Everyone keeps telling me to use Grainger even though they are the most expensive supplier on the planet. I even showed then the price quotes. And all 3 suppliers are on our approved vendor list. I keep getting told it's not your money why are you worried.

But it is my money and they just don't get it.

I guess it is called welcome to federal employment.

Wirenuting · 04-13-2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg

If you guys only knew the amount of waste in the Gov't. I now know, Wirenut will probably agree. If the Gov't had to turn a profit they wouldn't even know where to begin. I was told a month ago to spend an extra $300.00 on a GE Spectra Series II panel (extra spare breakers) so we could get free shipping, the kicker is the shipping was only $100.00. WTF

I guess it is called welcome to federal employment.

Oh ya, there is a lot of waste. Some is so small time that it makes little difference. Other times its on a grand scale. Milking a job for Saturday OT? No problem, as long as the boss is in also. Spend 6 hours to save $50 on material? Oh ya, we put a dent in the deficit.
I'll admit that I don't waste the man hours to price anything. I don't have the ability to do that. I just buy what is needed and will last, but never gold plated.
And please don't ask me to work Saturday for a BS job as it won't happen.
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But you have to wonder what is really waste.
For most $$ that we spend, someone is working on the outside. The federal gov is the largest employer and we consume alot of stuff.
But who really understands how much $15 trillion is? We won't go broke or belly up. But the idea of free gifts & trips is, hopefully, a thing of the past.
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You all should read the federal employee news site. You would laugh till you puked. :-(

Federaltimes.com

hardworkingstiff · 04-13-2012, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg

Everyone keeps telling me to use Grainger even though they are the most expensive supplier on the planet.

Let me guess, this job is into a cost plus phase so the more you pay for something the more you make.

Greg · 04-13-2012, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hardworkingstiff

Let me guess, this job is into a cost plus phase so the more you pay for something the more you make.

I'm no longer a contractor, I work for the Gov't. and as we all know, the Gov't is not a profitable organization. You get penalized for saving money, i.e. your next quarters budget is smaller.

Wirenuting · 04-13-2012, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg

I'm no longer a contractor, I work for the Gov't. and as we all know, the Gov't is not a profitable organization. You get penalized for saving money, i.e. your next quarters budget is smaller.

Just like onboard ship. Everything went over the side at midnight just before the end of the quarter.
The oceans are filled with Skillcraft pens and uncomfortable chairs.

Stan B. · 04-14-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MaxFuse

This new scale on gov. jobs blows.
Here in florida electricians took a 45% drop in pay including total loss of fringes. Then about a month later electrical contractors dropped their rates as well.
Even HBZachry has dropped their rates significantly across the US.
Its only a matter of time before all electricians start to feel the pain.
It really blows when a painter makes 8 dollars more an hour on the same job, and all other trades got raises including increased fringes.
I think large corporations are pressuring gov.into driving us down to increase profits.
In their minds all we do is twist a few wires,change a plug,maybe put in some light bulbs.They dont know the real aspects of this trade.
On the other hand OSHA realizes the dangers of this job, just by the staggering amount of AHA's and arc flash stuff you have to wear just to take a deadfront off a panel.
Bottom line is they know it could be dangerous , but they arent going to pay you for it.
Kinda makes you feel expendable.Doesn't it?

Well at least your taxes should go down. Right?

Shockdoc · 04-14-2012, 12:58 PM

But they'll have no problem paying their fortunate sons $50 - $75 an hour. They'll get what they pay for, minimum quality .

Legion · 04-24-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by HARRY304E

That is because the people in charge making these wage rates never held a job in the real world and they look down on anyone that did not go to the same college they did.

Remember they never held a job so how would they even know what an Electrician does?

Shockingly, I don't think this is too far from the truth. I was once in a meeting with a fortune 500 VP whom proceeded to state that skilled tradesmen and engineers shouldn't be paid more than $15 an hour. Since the only skilled or educated individuals in his mind were MBA's. This coming from an executive who's previous two employers went bankrupt with him as the president of operations.

I was in another meeting once when a recent college grad, hired for a rotational executive training program, presented a state of the business meeting. Of course he prefaced it with explaining how charts and numbers might be a bit too complicated for a room mostly full of nuclear engineers to understand, since we didn't go to business school like he did.

Frasbee · 04-24-2012, 12:30 PM

That attitude just burns me up. Its time to get ORGANIZED!