Peter D

It must be nice to know everything there is to know about electrical work.

electricalperson

if you were my helper and called me dumb or thought you were gods gift to the trade you wouldnt have a job the next day. you didnt see anything in almost 2 years in the trade. if someone tells me they know everything in this field they are lying

Mastertorturer

That was the response I expected. Perhaps an apology is in order. When ever I meet new electricians it's funny. The best way to know someone is to see what it takes to get them mad.

For this I am sorry.

Really it's to see if they keep a cool head. How they treat new people in the trade. What they actually know or are willing to prove.

Could care less what you call it. Pipe, raceway, conduit, and hell you could call it a wire pull'n doo hichky.

It's just odd to see a thread that reads "Helper Instructing a Residential Electrician on pipe". It reminded me of a valuable lesson.

One person, one bender, one bend at a time.

PS- It's a forum. The real world is off the screen.

Peter D

electricalperson

on the other hand if you told me you knew everything in the field i would believe you

Peter D

Now you're learning. And I get all the women I want too.

electricalperson

leland

Nice back stroke- Training for the Olympics?

Just be careful,These guys/gals will teach you a lot.(if they want to)

And remember: Most here have forgotten more than you know.

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Celtic

Um...no

There it is ~ you can't make it go away..."real world" or "internet".

Too little...too late.

If this is how you treat people you first meet....it's a wonder you got this far in life.


...and in the real world, you can't take back the crap you say.

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Mastertorturer

There is an entire generation of tradesman who; since the 70's have degraded a once skilled trade. People who take short cuts for profit. People who think strapping on an Electricians tool belt makes them an electrician. Journeyman that don't own or know how to use a multimeter.

Imigrants by the boatload who are under paid and over worked. Imigrants that do not know theory or code. Bosses that would rather keep their money instead of buying PPE. And to top it all off there are corrupt inspectors that enable these criminals and endanger lives.

So maybe I do think these people are idiots. Yeah I'm an Apprentice who knows better. There are licensed guys who use "experience" as a defence like cowards. If you think I'm arrogant then maybe you should look in the mirror too.

There's no danger of me losing my job. These people will be judged by me. My opinion will not change. Any "electrician" defending this type of behavior is as pathetic as these hackers.

So watch your **** because during my career I'm hunting you.

Good luck.

Celtic

I have earned the ability to be "arrogant".
You have not.
As a refresher ~> #15

If you say so.....there was also no danger of the Titanic sinking

Come back in 3 yrs when you top out....unless your hanging on daddy's wallet, you'll be done w/your present employer.





Come get some....you will be needing the luck as I possess the skill, knowledge and attitude.

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slowforthecones

the insurgency of of illegals from the southern united states border crossing has contributed to a lot of problems in the electrical trade as far as hack work, incompetent, unsafe, not skilled and unlicensed and amaetuer labor.

Mastertorturer

Which was my point from the beginning.

Whenever someone calls out an incompetent journeymen they instantly back peddle. It's text book reaction. First thing they do is strongly disagree and get angry. Even when it's totally uncalled for. Next they act like you're the one who's wrong. Then the "experience" card is played. A lame defense because you can't argue time. Then the "fine; you do it then".

Which is were you prove them wrong with code or results.

These people are fakes. When you know what you're doing there is absolutely no reason for confrontation.

The confusing thing is why me being an apprentice instantly invalidates my opinion. Or why anyone would defend poor electrical work? What planet are you guys on.

Maybe you haven't seen what I see daily. Doing maintenance I've seen at least a thousand dangerous and retarded installations in 2 years. 80% were done by licensed guys. The other 20% were immigrants.

People from India, Pakistan, South America and others are the worst hackers. They don't use wire strippers; they use a knife. They don't twist wire nuts to the insulation. They work live on anything. They accept extremely low wages. If the part isn't there they'll chop up others to fit.

It's criminal.

slowforthecones

Very well said. I was going to use the word amigo or mexican but some of the mods here are very ethnic friendly even though the truth is the truth regarding substandard illegals from south of the u.s.a. border causing problems in California espcially.

electricalperson

so you go around causing trouble with guys that have there licenses and your only a 2 year helper? you must not have a lot of friends

whats wrong with using a knife to strip wire? i use a hawkbill knife so am i incompetent?

slowforthecones

I don't know the guy personally but I have been a sparky for 11+ years. In my time 2 years working for a sparky I learned more than most newly minted JW's. Then again it's what you put in to it that you get back....

electricalperson

hes just cocky. i see cocky helpers like him all day long. if he came to me yelling at me or whatever about how great he is and how much journeymen suck he probably will be on truck cleaning detail for the next month

Peter D

Yes.

electricalperson

slowforthecones

I use a knife sometimes too..any blade works I prefer my dykes though but sometimes I rather not go get my toolbag far away in my truck.