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Old 04-19-2012, 11:08 PM   #21
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Its the same as this mandate for CO detectors in every home in CA. Who lobbied for it? The smoke detector companies. Yea, people having a bbq in their living room could have been dying from CO poisoning, but is it really an epidemic?
I'll be damned if I'll trust my life to some $20 Chinese CO detector, OR some POS Chinese AFCI breaker. More people to employ to enforce codes, more products to make, etc etc etc.

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Old 04-30-2012, 10:42 PM   #22
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it come from insurance company , their are pushing all the regulations . It will be much better when all circuit in house will be afci , even better if they could make a combination AFCI / GFCI breaker .
Arc fault breakers do have gfi protection in them already.
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Arc fault breakers do have gfi protection in them already.
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:07 PM   #24
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Arc fault breakers do have gfi protection in them already.
No they don't. The original ones had GFPE in them, but the modern combination ones have no such protection at all.
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No they don't. The original ones had GFPE in them, but the modern combination ones have no such protection at all.
That sounds conspiritoral. Do you have a link that proves that there is no GFPE in them? I bet the long BR ones have..
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That sounds conspiritoral. Do you have a link that proves that there is no GFPE in them? I bet the long BR ones have..
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Just a matter of time before all 15 and 20 amp circuits require AFCI protection..
Yup and then we will need bigger panel's to put them in..
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No they don't. The original ones had GFPE in them, but the modern combination ones have no such protection at all.
You ever tap a neutral and ground together on an arc breaker.. ? It trip the breaker every time ... but you can sit there and tap wires together making all the sparks /arcs you want and it wont trip ... afcis a good way for lawyers and engginers to make more money .. and make us look stupid when they nusaince trip
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Really? Where does the '08 state they must?
My understanding(and the inspectors in my jurisdiction) was '08 said new stuff, remodels additions and the like, but if you added an outlet somewhere you didn't have to. '11 changed it to every outlet you add....
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No they don't. The original ones had GFPE in them, but the modern combination ones have no such protection at all.
It is not part of the UL testing for the combination type. The siemens breakers do have some sort of ground fault equipment in them. The sqaure d qo one do too.

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