zen

we have a new job coming up,,,it is residential,,although in a high rise building where all circuts will be run in conduit,,someone had told me that arc fault breakers didnt apply if the circuts were ran in conduit or " a c. " ill be looking it up,,and if any one knows please let me know ....thanks

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480sparky

Everything is in 210.12. You'll be looking at the exceptions.

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jwjrw

Still have to be arc fault in conduit. There is an exception for running the HR in conduit to the first device and using arc receptacles but they do not make them yet.

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zen

thanks for the replies. is there an online code book i can read...i dont mind looking up and reading the info but i dont have a new code book yet,another employee is going to bring one tom,,but id like to read up on it til then,,,thanks,,

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zen

thanks 480... when will afci devices{plugs} be coming out

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jwjrw

Well since you didn't ask me
I dont know, haven't heard any of them saying they are in the process of making them yet. I'm sure they have prototypes in the workd though.

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zen

i was asking you. my bad for not posting a reply to you,,i appalogize for being an electrical hoodlum...

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zen

480 had sent me a private msg on how to reach the 33 degree of another topic,,,so i was telling him thanks and asking you about the devices,

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jwjrw

To be honest he does know his stuff and I was just kidding. He is one of the "go to guys" on here and other forums. He also LOVES TROLLS!
He could be the 480 on ebay buying up all the troll dolls!

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zen

either he has a pager like a dr. and every time some one posts it goes off and he replies or he is the Electrical God and he already knows what we will post as well as our post posts and this is just a game for him,,,either way id wear line gloves if i were to shake his hand..

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480sparky

I've heard tell a story that P&S actually has AFCI receptacles. They were developed back when the receps in bedrooms were first required to be AFCI protected. Then the Code changed to all outlets, not just receps. P&S had apparently put a bunch of money into R&D to make AFCI receps, then dropped the entire project in favor of AFCI breakers. Of course, if they did exist, they wouldn't be the combo type required today.

And no, I'm not buying trolls on ebay. I stick to electrical stuff (old codebooks, etc). I'll leave the trolling to Forgery, JackBoot, Honda Racer, milehiwire, LGLS, et al.

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jwjrw

I say BAN em all! For the record I dont even know if they have troll dolls for sale on ebay!

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MDShunk

I read something on www.steelconduit.org that caused me to believe that some states have amended the AFCI code to exclude the requirement for AFCI's if the circuit is run completely in steel conduit of some sort. Worth trying to look up local or state amendments, I suppose. Could save a bundle.

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Shockdoc

It's time for the breaker box manufacturers to install a neutral bus bar so the AFI breaker does not need to be field wired to the neutral bar, some of these panels are getting disgustingly crowded with those miserable white breaker leads.

MDShunk

Cutler Hammer makes a panel like that.

EDIT... took me a couple minutes to find it.



http://www.eaton.com/ecm/idcplg?IdcS...FILE&dID=41756

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Shockdoc

I already ordered a 42 ckt tan CH for a deli panel on a 400 amp sub divide, Now that's what I'm talking aboutSomeone is finally using the noodle , It's a shame this forsaken Island pushes cheap bottom of the barrel Murray panels as the primary. I'll be going CH on all new residential , I 'd figuired I try it on a commercial job due to pricing vs. SqD. Had an ex employer who swared on them years back.

RIVETER

Why does everyone worry about the installing of AFCI circuits costing more money? It shouldn't really matter to the installer. If it costs more, you just make more money; And it is safer for the customer.

Voltech

Same here

MDShunk

In this thread, I don't think it's so much of a complaint about AFCI costs, but more of an inquiry about whether they're required at all if you run a complete metallic conduit system. You'd hate to price yourself out of a job if the other bidders knew, that in this particular locale, that you didn't need them.

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RIVETER

I am not up on all the AFCI requirements but why would EMT make a difference?