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Can I put 3 sets (parallel) of 208 Wye system 250mcm/250mcm/250mcm/1/0 in a 4" Rigid Metal conduit for a 500 amp service ?
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04-17-2012, 11:03 PM
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04-17-2012, 11:10 PM
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Can I put 3 sets (parallel) of 208 Wye system 250mcm/250mcm/250mcm/1/0 in a 4" Rigid Metal conduit for a 500 amp service ?
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500 Amp?
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04-17-2012, 11:36 PM
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500 Amp?
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Yeah. Anything wrong with that? Let's say I had a calculated load of 467 amps
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04-17-2012, 11:38 PM
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Yeah. Anything wrong with that?
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No.
Ive just never seen a 500 amp service. 
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04-17-2012, 11:42 PM
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Clearly, that has never been questioned 
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04-18-2012, 12:09 AM
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Can I put 3 sets (parallel) of 208 Wye system 250mcm/250mcm/250mcm/1/0 in a 4" Rigid Metal conduit for a 500 amp service ?
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Is this a homework question?
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Last edited by Awg-Dawg; 04-18-2012 at 05:15 AM.
Reason: wrong answer
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04-18-2012, 02:09 AM
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Can I put 3 sets (parallel) of 208 Wye system 250mcm/250mcm/250mcm/1/0 in a 4" Rigid Metal conduit for a 500 amp service ?
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Yeah. Anything wrong with that? Let's say I had a calculated load of 467 amps
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If I read your post correctly you will have 9CCC and 3non CCC in one 4" RGS conduit. Thats 12 cables in the one conduit,,,,,,How many guys going to pull the wire and how many are going keep it from getting knotted up?
What is your insulation type?
How long is the run?
Table 310.15(B)(2)(a) Say's 7-9 CCC's you go to a 70% rating.
Assuming an insulation in the 75 degree column your starting at 205 amps.
205amp X .7 = 143.5 amp
143.5 X 3 = 430.5 amp
Really want to do that?
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04-18-2012, 06:56 AM
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sounds like you might consider 3 parrallel pipe runs Cletis......~CS~
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04-18-2012, 07:14 AM
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Table 310.15(B)(2)(a) Say's 7-9 CCC's you go to a 70% rating.
Assuming an insulation in the 75 degree column your starting at 205 amps.
205amp X .7 = 143.5 amp
143.5 X 3 =430.5 amp
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You would use the 90 column to figure the derating unless the conductors he is using are only 75 which would be odd.
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04-18-2012, 08:22 AM
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04-18-2012, 12:26 PM
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sounds like you might consider 3 parrallel pipe runs Cletis......~CS~
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Even two runs would be better, I'm still interested in knowing the length of the run. If it's 4 feet horizontal from one panel to another, go for it. If its a real long run, IMHO, it will "F" up the conductors and be a nearly impossible pull. I just watched a "pool guy" pull a 300' run of #2 thwn through an 1-1/4" pvc and he was using a back how because they could not pull it by hand, "PRICELESS'' 
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04-18-2012, 12:33 PM
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Even two runs would be better, I'm still interested in knowing the length of the run. If it's 4 feet horizontal from one panel to another, go for it. If its a real long run, IMHO, it will "F" up the conductors and be a nearly impossible pull. I just watched a "pool guy" pull a 300' run of #2 thwn through an 1-1/4" pvc and he was using a back how because they could not pull it by hand, "PRICELESS'' |
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04-18-2012, 01:03 PM
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If I read your post correctly you will have 9CCC and 3non CCC in one 4" RGS conduit. Thats 12 cables in the one conduit,,,,,,How many guys going to pull the wire and how many are going keep it from getting knotted up?
What is your insulation type?
How long is the run?
Table 310.15(B)(2)(a) Say's 7-9 CCC's you go to a 70% rating.
Assuming an insulation in the 75 degree column your starting at 205 amps.
205amp X .7 = 143.5 amp
143.5 X 3 =430.5 amp
Really want to do that?
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Don't you mean 310.15(B)( 3)(a) nec 2011 ?
Adjustment factors for more than three conductors in a raceway.
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04-18-2012, 10:01 PM
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12ft
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12' thats just a long nipple, but it will still be a pain in the butt, I'd run atleast two conduits.
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Don't you mean 310.15(B)(3)(a) nec 2011 ?
Adjustment factors for more than three conductors in a raceway.
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I was in the 08' but it was also late when I posted that.
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