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Old 01-11-2017, 06:34 AM   #21
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The KEY thing is not the GC -- it's the AHJ's opinion.

Have these plans been submitted for the okay ?
They are in review at the moment.

All we were given were floor plans in PDF form and asked for a ball park quote.

I assumed it would have been an entirely concrete structure with metal framing members.
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Suppose you had a 3-story structure with an unfinished attic, then you wanted to finish that 4th floor.... what happens then the whole house has to be rewired?
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Suppose you had a 3-story structure with an unfinished attic, then you wanted to finish that 4th floor.... what happens then the whole house has to be rewired?

Or sprinklers added.
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Suppose you had a 3-story structure with an unfinished attic, then you wanted to finish that 4th floor.... what happens then the whole house has to be rewired?
This is where I get confused.

A 4 story house with mostly wood construction and no fire rating would be Type V non-rated. That doesn't fit the list of acceptable construction types.

There is also an exception to the sprinkler requirement for 1 and 2 family dwellings in the FBC.

Normally we as electricians are expected to determine a suitable wiring method, but in this case I think its out of our hands.
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This is where I get confused.

A 4 story house with mostly wood construction and no fire rating would be Type V non-rated. That doesn't fit the list of acceptable construction types.

There is also an exception to the sprinkler requirement for 1 and 2 family dwellings in the FBC.

Normally we as electricians are expected to determine a suitable wiring method, but in this case I think its out of our hands.
Well, not that you don't already know this, I'm going to say it anyway - he's gotta use pipe and likely sprinklers as well. As a builder or GC this is really no surprise to them, they're just looking for some go-around or loophole they might not be privvy to. This is why you don't see 4-story houses, outside of an apartment complex.

Even here on Long Island, building residential over 2 stories is rare, and if you do, no bedrooms may be located above the 2nd floor. You only see 3 and 4 story residences that were built pre-1960's.
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Well, not that you don't already know this, I'm going to say it anyway - he's gotta use pipe and likely sprinklers as well. As a builder or GC this is really no surprise to them, they're just looking for some go-around or loophole they might not be privvy to. This is why you don't see 4-story houses, outside of an apartment complex.

Even here on Long Island, building residential over 2 stories is rare, and if you do, no bedrooms may be located above the 2nd floor. You only see 3 and 4 story residences that were built pre-1960's.


So get this.

They are trying to NOT have sprinklers, AND for us to use NM.


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There's an AGO (Attorney General's Opinion) from the 1990's that says it must be sprinkled, even though F.S. 633 says single family is exempt from the chapter. Townhomes, when grouped 3 or more together, are multi-family buildings for the purpose of Ch. 633 regardless of what a building code or any other code or statute may call them.

I'll see if I can dig it up. It's been a while.

eta: well that was quick. Here it is: http://www.myfloridalegal.com/ago.ns...2565800064AE4F
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So get this.

They are trying to NOT have sprinklers, AND for us to use NM.


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Of course they are. And they'd add a 5th floor too if they could.
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