MHElectric

Does anybody pull this in #12? Ive been all through art. 210, I don't see this being a requirement anywhere, and yes, it is being enforced in an area I am working. I always welcome someone showing and explaining something new to me from the code.

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Mulder

210.52(B)(1) says the 2 or more sabc's shall serve the dining room.

480sparky

I would hope you pull 12.

210.52(B)(1) Receptacle Outlets Served. In the kitchen, pantry, breakfast room, dining room, or similar area of a dwelling unit, the two or more 20-ampere small-appliance branch circuits required by 210.11(C)(1) shall serve all wall and floor receptacle outlets covered by 210.52(A), all countertop outlets covered by 210.52(C), and receptacle outlets for refrigeration equipment.

210.11(C) Dwelling Units. (1) Small-Appliance Branch Circuits. In addition to the number of branch circuits required by other parts of this section, two or more 20-ampere small-appliance branch circuits shall be provided for all receptacle outlets specified by 210.52(B).

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Shockdoc

And AFCI protected as of 11'.

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MHElectric

I took this as the dining room was aloud to be on the kitchen sabc, but I put it on its own circuit instead. Unfortunately I pulled it in #14. The inspector turned it down, and we spent this morning fixing it.

......another lesson learned the hard way.....

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Shockdoc

The only #14 you can use in there is for fixed lighting.

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manchestersparky

Required as of 2008

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480sparky

It can be on one of the two SABCs. It just needs to be AWG12/20a. You're legal pulling in a third/fourth/fifth SABC if you want to.

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MHElectric

Hind sight is 20/20. I misunderstood the wording on this. Wish I had of asked this question before I pulled it.

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480sparky

Most likely, your confusion arises from being told the myth that SABC's are for the countertops. I've heard that line over and over.

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cultch

ty 480! I don't do houses anymore but this is the 2nd time this has come up this week on ET. It's something I wasn't aware of (shame on me) and very enlighting. I work commercial and brought this up at break time. No one belived me. They all said sabc was counter top only.

480sparky

I've often heard SABC's referred to as "Countertop Circuits".



When you encounter people like this, enlighten them with Charlie's Rule:

It doesn’t say what you think it says, nor what you remember it to have said, nor what you were told that it says, and certainly not what you want it to say. And if by chance you are its author, it doesn’t say what you intended it to say. Then what does it say? It says what it says. So if you want to know what it says, stop trying to remember what it says, and don’t ask anyone else. Go back and read it, and pay attention as though you were reading it for the first time.

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acrwc10

Charlie's Rule should be on Page One of the NEC, because it is so true. I can't count how many times I have had Charlie's Rule pop in my head before the code sec. I needed.

RGH

required since 08..but as an apprentice (30 yrs ago) I have always pulled a 20 amp cir for the dinning room....my master told me then as now people will put buffets out on the holidays..hot plates, slow cookers ect so he thought it was a good idea and then only pennies to run a 12 awg..funny how he had the foresight to see that applicaton...(he said)"last thing you want is someone M_fing you on xmas with cold food cause of a cir trip...and a house full of people"....old school common sense...

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Magnettica

The wording for this section could be better in my opinion. It's fair to assume that a small appliance will be in use in the ding room area. Coffee pot, stuff like that.