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Old 03-27-2010, 06:42 PM   #41
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that is rediculous. you mean to tell me the only wires allowed in a plenum ceiling are those that feed hvac sytems. no. why would they go through the trouble of making cat 5, coax etc. plenum rated if they are not permitted to be in such spaces. in many cases the whole area above a drop ceiling is being used for a return air and every wire regardless the type is in violation thats rediculous. your not allowed to penitrate an existing enclosed duct and use it for a chase.
You should really pick up the code book and read the sections I quoted.

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Old 03-27-2010, 07:06 PM   #42
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You should really pick up the code book and read the sections I quoted.
300.22(C)
(C) Other Space Used for Environmental Air.
This section
applies to space used for environmental air-handling
purposes other than ducts and plenums as specified in
300.22(A) and (B). It does not include habitable rooms or
areas of buildings, the prime purpose of which is not air
handling.

FPN: The space over a hung ceiling used for environmental
air-handling purposes is an example of the type of other
space to which this section applies.
Exception: This section shall not apply to the joist or stud
spaces of dwelling units where the wiring passes through
such spaces perpendicular to the long dimension of such
spaces.
(1) Wiring Methods.
The wiring methods for such other
space shall be limited to totally enclosed, nonventilated,
insulated busway having no provisions for plug-in connections,
Type MI cable, Type MC cable without an overall
nonmetallic covering, Type AC cable, or other factoryassembled
multiconductor control or power cable that is
specifically listed for the use, or listed prefabricated cable
assemblies of metallic manufactured wiring systems without
nonmetallic sheath. Other types of cables, conductors,
and raceways shall be permitted to be installed in electrical
metallic tubing, flexible metallic tubing, intermediate metal
conduit, rigid metal conduit without an overall nonmetallic
covering, flexible metal conduit, or, where accessible, surface

metal raceway or metal wireway with metal covers
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thanks b4t
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maybe you should take a better look at the section you quoted
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maybe you should take a better look at the section you quoted
Maybe you can explain what you think is wrong with what I posted.

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Just a side note, if it is a 'plenum' you cannot run any wiring in it that is not directly needed for the plenum. 300.22(B)

The space we are talking about is 'other space used for environmental air' 300.22(C)
You cannot run wiring in plenums except as specified in 300.22(B).
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If I am understanding the above code section, it appears to exclude the use of any PVC coated cable or conduit. Is that correct? If so, why do you think that is?
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If I am understanding the above code section, it appears to exclude the use of any PVC coated cable or conduit. Is that correct? If so, why do you think that is?
It is talking about a space for environmental air why do you think that is?
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It is talking about a space for environmental air why do you think that is?
Yeah, that had crossed my mind. I guess I was wondering if they expected some warmer temps. that would cause more of the PVC, in PPM to be expected. Thanks.
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It is talking about a space for environmental air why do you think that is?
Smoke in the case of fire.
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Smoke in the case of fire.
I believe that to be correct but I always like to answer Riveters questions with a question.

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