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Old 10-18-2009, 12:26 PM   #1
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Is there any advantage to adding localized fused protection for A/C equipment even when the nameplate allows a breaker?

Only reason I ask is that I picked up a bunch of fused A/C disconnects at HD on clearance for $1.40 each. I figure at the very least I'll put some pieces of copper tubing in there to bypass the fuse holders.
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Is there any advantage to adding localized fused protection for A/C equipment even when the nameplate allows a breaker?

Only reason I ask is that I picked up a bunch of fused A/C disconnects at HD on clearance for $1.40 each. I figure at the very least I'll put some pieces of copper tubing in there to bypass the fuse holders.

I've had HVAC contractors require a fused disconnect. I definately would have bought all I could at that price. No copper tubing though.
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Good job getting those discos for that price!
If the nameplate allows for max fuse or hacr breaker for example, I don't see how it can hurt to have a fused disconnect but if it's labled "max time-delay fuse" then it's required, not sure what the hvac guy has do with your disconnect. most hvac installers that I work with just tell me the amperes over the phone or give me a cut-sheet so i know what awg to run before hand. After that, I do what I need to do, they do what they need to do and the unit is up and running.
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There's still some equipment out there that says "max fuse size". I'd save those discos for the special occasions where the equipment must have fuses. Other than that, I see no advantage.
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There's still some equipment out there that says "max fuse size". I'd save those discos for the special occasions where the equipment must have fuses. Other than that, I see no advantage.
Thanks, I didn't see any advantage either, but wanted to make sure.


As an FYI, HD and Lowes are clearing out their stock of Square D A/C disconnects. I bought a case of non-fused 60 A regular pull out style for $3.23 each on clearance at Lowes. HD also had them on clearance for the same price. Good time to stock up now for next year.
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One disadvantage to using fused disconnects for A/C equipment is that in the event of a fault, a fuse will blow before a breaker will trip.

A fuse needs to be replaced, a breaker can be reset.

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One disadvantage to using fused disconnects for A/C equipment is that in the event of a fault, a fuse will blow before a breaker will trip.

A fuse needs to be replaced, a breaker can be reset.

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That is a good thing.. HO will reset a circuit breaker, but most won't go near a fuse that needs a "puller" to get it out

I don't think Peter would mind doing the service call
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That is a good thing.. HO will reset a circuit breaker, but most won't go near a fuse that needs a "puller" to get it out

I don't think Peter would mind doing the service call
Haha...yeah. I do HVAC work on the side now.
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Haha...yeah. I do HVAC work on the side now.
So on your resume, you list HVAC experience because you changed a fuse?

I forgot thermostat "analysis"
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Haha...yeah. I do HVAC work on the side now.
Maybe you could get a job as a full time spelling cop?

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Fuses ofter better protection than breakers. They clear faster than breakers and if properly sized are better for arc flash mitigation.
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And what just have him jump right over the yellow striper and put him out of business?
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I don't think Peter would mind doing the service call

I bet he is cutting the copper to length already.
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And what just have him jump right over the yellow striper and put him out of business?
Ooohh...the big scary doggy is back.
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I bet he is cutting the copper to length already.
Does it make you feel like a big man to make fun of everybody?
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Does it make you feel like a big man to make fun of everybody?
Nope, it's called a sense of humor, I exercise mine all the time. It keeps me young and smiling. If you think I'm bad you need to hang out with a group of Marines sometime. I'm just having fun, unlike a few guys on here that feel it's necessary to spell check and play grammer teacher to the forum as a whole.
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I'm just having fun, unlike a few guys on here that feel it's necessary to spell check and play grammer teacher to the forum as a whole.
You have no sense of humor.
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and play grammer teacher to the forum as a whole.
It's "grammar", not "grammer".
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