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03-26-2008, 10:42 PM
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gfci protecting pool pump motor
This is my first pool hook up, my understanding is that a hard wired pump motor does not have to have a gfci breaker, is this correct? The guy we are wiring it for wants the gfci breaker anyway, i just wanted to be sure.
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03-26-2008, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rebel34
This is my first pool hook up, my understanding is that a hard wired pump motor does not have to have a gfci breaker, is this correct? The guy we are wiring it for wants the gfci breaker anyway, i just wanted to be sure.
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Not sure about other type of installs (resi) but all the spec jobs I have wired have had the pool house sub panel fed from a GFCI breaker.
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03-27-2008, 07:01 AM
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Up until the 2008 NEC you are correct. This was changed for 2008.
Most of us used a GFI anyway.
Actually I can't remember the last hardwired pump I did. We are a seasonal climate and pumps are usually removed for winter. Hardwiring doesn't work for that.
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03-27-2008, 07:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedy Petey
Up until the 2008 NEC you are correct. This was changed for 2008.
Most of us used a GFI anyway.
Actually I can't remember the last hardwired pump I did. We are a seasonal climate and pumps are usually removed for winter. Hardwiring doesn't work for that.
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I haven't ever done a pump that wasn't in a filter house or similar building. Most have been done in conduit with a small flex whip to the motor.
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03-27-2008, 09:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedy Petey
Up until the 2008 NEC you are correct. This was changed for 2008.
Most of us used a GFI anyway.
Actually I can't remember the last hardwired pump I did. We are a seasonal climate and pumps are usually removed for winter. Hardwiring doesn't work for that.
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Yet when wired for 220 cord & plug, no GFCI was needed.
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03-27-2008, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by LawnGuyLandSparky
Yet when wired for 220 cord & plug, no GFCI was needed.
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The 2005 NEC added a change requiring GFI protection for 240v pumps as well.
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03-27-2008, 06:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rebel34
This is my first pool hook up, my understanding is that a hard wired pump motor does not have to have a gfci breaker, is this correct? The guy we are wiring it for wants the gfci breaker anyway, i just wanted to be sure.
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As per 2005NEC, only a receptacle needs GFI. If hardwired, no GFI required. Seems so silly that we need to go crazy w/ bonding and grid, but a GFI is not required.
A light IS required to be GFI protected.
I need to buy the 2008 NEC book. NJ is still doing 2005.
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03-28-2008, 07:15 AM
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680.22(B) 0f the 2008 code says GFIC protection is required for both cord and plug and direct connected swimming pool pump motors.
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