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Kitchen requirements

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#1 ·
For kitchens other than dwelling units (article 210.8 (B)) the requirements for gfci protection states that all 15 and 20 amp, 125 volt receptacles within the kitchen area shall be gfci protected. Does anyone see an exception for receptacles that service appliances in the kitchen area?
 
#39 ·
You guys that have electrical inspectors dont know how good you have it. Here ( savannah area ) we have building inspectors, they have very little knowledge of the NEC.
All they care about is nail plates. Its absurd.
Some of my competition are totally oblivious to the code.
I went into a house that I bid, and the outlets were spaced every 15 feet. No disconnect from the meter to the panel. ( about 45 ' away )
Af ci i the bedrooms, outlets only, lights were not on the af.
bonding of the rebar in the slab ----unheard of. ( I did it and got failed )
With all the hacking , these guys make good money .
I guess the point is ( beside me biching ) every area has different enforcment of the nec. Some more than others , obviously. this brings differnt interpratations, and along with that , different amendments.
 
#40 ·
in reference to kitchen counter plugs

i have a job coming up soon , ive yet to do work in this town - a small house in tioga tx and ive been told that i have to have 1 circuit per every 2 kitchen counter plugs being gfci protected of course , i thought they were joking cause ive always put at least 2 circuits per kitchen with no more than 6 openings on a circuit , ive even hit the frig first and then to my first counter plug being the gfci plug , dining room as well . well they say no joke and its nec code , ive looked in the code book but cant find it , it was like starring at a cows face for an hour . would you all help me find the code references because i think its silly having 4 circuits for kitchen counter plugs
 
#41 ·
i have a job coming up soon , ive yet to do work in this town - a small house in tioga tx and ive been told that i have to have 1 circuit per every 2 kitchen counter plugs being gfci protected of course , i thought they were joking cause ive always put at least 2 circuits per kitchen with no more than 6 openings on a circuit...
NEC = 2 small appliance circuits (you know this part I think).
AHJ = whatever local/state amendments may be in effect.

Ask nicely, but insist the local inspector or plan review dept to show you **IN WRITING** what rule or code or law they believe they are enforcing. Do it very soon (for your own sake) and let us know the outcome.
 
#43 ·
I've heard of it before. Apparently, someone out there thinks a cook will want to rotesserie, broil, whip, bake, toast, perk, braise, and slow-cook while making Belgin Waffles all at the same time...
 
#44 ·
We did a kitchenette for an insurance business that had two refrigerators, a counter top ice cream freezer, two commercial coffee makers, an espresso machine, two microwaves, a bagel toaster (chain drive), and a hot cheese machine. They also had a regular cafeteria in the basement of the building and a coffee shop and a theater style snack bar on another floor. Guess that's why the US has that obesity problem.
 
#46 ·
In Non-dwelling units' kitchens all receptacles have to be GFI Protected. As was listed several times by members:
In the 2005 NEC Codebook it is
210.8(B)(2):
210.8(B) Other Than Dwelling Units​
All 125-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-ampere
receptacles installed in the locations specified in (1) through (5) shall have ground-fault
circuit-interrupter protection for personnel:

(1) Bathrooms
(2) Commercial and institutional kitchens — for the purposes of this section, a
kitchen is an area with a sink and permanent facilities for food preparation and
cooking
(3) Rooftops​
(4) Outdoors in public spaces—for the purpose of this section a public space is
defined as any space that is for use by, or is accessible to, the public​
Exception to (3) and (4): Receptacles that are not readily accessible and are supplied
from a dedicated branch circuit for electric snow-melting or deicing equipment shall be
permitted to be installed in accordance with the applicable provisions of Article 426.​
(5) Outdoors, where installed to comply with 210.63​
(C) Boat Hoists​
Ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel shall be
provided for outlets that supply boat hoists installed in dwelling unit locations and
supplied by 125-volt, 15- and 20-ampere branch circuits.

There you have it. You guys just have to read the codebook. The above is taken from the 2005 NEC. No change really from the 2002. The 2008 is also the same.

 
#50 ·
:notworthy:
If someone requests the code article, I will copy from the code disk and fax it to them. An inspector, who will not, either does not know the code, or own a code book! In New Jersey we are required to supply this information if requested. I will do this for anyone who asks, not only in the towns I inspect in or not.
 
#51 ·
Whether you're required to or not, doesn't change that a lot of inspectors have a GOD complex, and don't.

I failed an inspection for back-feeding a breaker (yeah yeah, I know), but not only did the inspector not give an article, he didn't even give a sticker. It's been over a week. He said he'd call to give an article number.

This after I called the state on him. He actually told me that he was waiting on a call from the state, to find out what article to give me for his failed sticker. So he failed me, but didn't know why:censored::censored::censored:
 
#55 ·
:censored:
Maybe more contractors should call the state on the so called “god inspectors”. They give all inspectors a bad name. Never forget the inspectors are only as good as there supervisors. When you take time to talk about a problem and explain it to a contractor why and don’t talk down to them, your job is easy.
 
#56 · (Edited)
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