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Old 05-17-2008, 12:13 PM   #41
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i have a job coming up soon , ive yet to do work in this town - a small house in tioga tx and ive been told that i have to have 1 circuit per every 2 kitchen counter plugs being gfci protected of course , i thought they were joking cause ive always put at least 2 circuits per kitchen with no more than 6 openings on a circuit...
NEC = 2 small appliance circuits (you know this part I think).
AHJ = whatever local/state amendments may be in effect.

Ask nicely, but insist the local inspector or plan review dept to show you **IN WRITING** what rule or code or law they believe they are enforcing. Do it very soon (for your own sake) and let us know the outcome.

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Old 05-17-2008, 12:18 PM   #42
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I agree. There is NO such code in the NEC.
I truly hope they are not misinterpreting the two SA circuit code. That would be a joke.

This HAS to be a local requirement.
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Old 05-18-2008, 08:19 AM   #43
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I've heard of it before. Apparently, someone out there thinks a cook will want to rotesserie, broil, whip, bake, toast, perk, braise, and slow-cook while making Belgin Waffles all at the same time...
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We did a kitchenette for an insurance business that had two refrigerators, a counter top ice cream freezer, two commercial coffee makers, an espresso machine, two microwaves, a bagel toaster (chain drive), and a hot cheese machine. They also had a regular cafeteria in the basement of the building and a coffee shop and a theater style snack bar on another floor. Guess that's why the US has that obesity problem.
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Old 10-28-2008, 09:25 PM   #45
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all no exceptions 15 and 20 amp i20 volt receptacles in commercial (non residential) kithens will be gfic protected
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In Non-dwelling units' kitchens all receptacles have to be GFI Protected. As was listed several times by members:
In the 2005 NEC Codebook it is
210.8(B)(2):
210.8(B) Other Than Dwelling Units
All 125-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-ampere
receptacles installed in the locations specified in (1) through (5) shall have ground-fault
circuit-interrupter protection for personnel:

(1) Bathrooms
(2) Commercial and institutional kitchens — for the purposes of this section, a
kitchen is an area with a sink and permanent facilities for food preparation and
cooking
(3) Rooftops
(4) Outdoors in public spaces—for the purpose of this section a public space is
defined as any space that is for use by, or is accessible to, the public
Exception to (3) and (4): Receptacles that are not readily accessible and are supplied
from a dedicated branch circuit for electric snow-melting or deicing equipment shall be
permitted to be installed in accordance with the applicable provisions of Article 426.
(5) Outdoors, where installed to comply with 210.63
(C) Boat Hoists
Ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel shall be
provided for outlets that supply boat hoists installed in dwelling unit locations and
supplied by 125-volt, 15- and 20-ampere branch circuits.

There you have it. You guys just have to read the codebook. The above is taken from the 2005 NEC. No change really from the 2002. The 2008 is also the same.

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You read to fast. Look at the letters in the middle.

OP said other than dwelling units.

I see no exception.
That is what gives us inspectors a bad name. You have to read all the words in the code article.
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Gil, where are you located?

I am not being a jerk about this, but is your job to wire a job to code or to your own preference above code, or is it to make inspectors happy?
LoL...I prefer them to make me HAPPY...knowing that what I tell them to do IS code.....most " QUALITY" inspectors will supply code references on all tickets and be able to explain WHY they are wanting something done.
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LoL...I prefer them to make me HAPPY...knowing that what I tell them to do IS code.....

This comment asks me to question your intentions (with respect!). Power,control, the tone sets me uneasy.

a BIT "INFLUENCIAL" NO? INSPECT NOT DIRECT, CORRECT?

....most " QUALITY" inspectors will supply code references on all tickets and be able to explain WHY they are wanting something done.
This statement gives me great comfort. MOST Inspectors meet this.
However some..... Power and control!!!

This is why "WE" must read and be educated.
Always be Informed and question Authority.
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If someone requests the code article, I will copy from the code disk and fax it to them. An inspector, who will not, either does not know the code, or own a code book! In New Jersey we are required to supply this information if requested. I will do this for anyone who asks, not only in the towns I inspect in or not.
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If someone requests the code article, I will copy from the code disk and fax it to them. An inspector, who will not, either does not know the code, or own a code book! In New Jersey we are required to supply this information if requested. I will do this for anyone who asks, not only in the towns I inspect in or not.
Whether you're required to or not, doesn't change that a lot of inspectors have a GOD complex, and don't.

I failed an inspection for back-feeding a breaker (yeah yeah, I know), but not only did the inspector not give an article, he didn't even give a sticker. It's been over a week. He said he'd call to give an article number.

This after I called the state on him. He actually told me that he was waiting on a call from the state, to find out what article to give me for his failed sticker. So he failed me, but didn't know why
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If he can not read, how can he dial a phone. He needs a good kick in the ___ Larry
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I failed an inspection for back-feeding a breaker (yeah yeah, I know), but not only did the inspector not give an article, he didn't even give a sticker. It's been over a week. He said he'd call to give an article number.
Was the breaker bolted in ?
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Was the breaker bolted in ?
No it wasn't. Yes I know it has to be. That's not the point.

This is the inpector that failed my pool because the lights were too deep, etc etc, and ate crow when I called the state, and they told him I ws right, and he was wrong. then he STILL wouldn't pass me. I had to call enforcement, and that got things passed that time.

The inspector also made the pool guy take the panel covers off the live panels. 1st, I think it's his job. If he'd ask me, I'd do it, but asking a layman to do it is hazardous!
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Maybe more contractors should call the state on the so called “god inspectors”. They give all inspectors a bad name. Never forget the inspectors are only as good as there supervisors. When you take time to talk about a problem and explain it to a contractor why and don’t talk down to them, your job is easy.
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This is from Mecklenburg County, NC.
http://www.charmeck.org/Departments/...nformation.htm

http://www.charmeck.org/NR/rdonlyres...tf/QAGFCIs.pdf


This is where NC is getting their information from with regards to GFCI


1987 NEC
15-20 Amp 120 volt Receptacle Requirements:
Basements, kitchen sinks (within 6 foot of),
boathouses, commercial garages.

Other requirements: High-pressure spray washers, hydro-massage bathtubs



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This is from Mecklenburg County, NC.
http://www.charmeck.org/Departments/...nformation.htm

http://www.charmeck.org/NR/rdonlyres...tf/QAGFCIs.pdf


This is where NC is getting their information from with regards to GFCI


1987 NEC
15-20 Amp 120 volt Receptacle Requirements:
Basements, kitchen sinks (within 6 foot of),
boathouses, commercial garages.

Other requirements: High-pressure spray washers, hydro-massage bathtubs




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