zen

to temp or not to temp. when triming out a house i need some tips on the most right way to temp in the house from the t pole to the meter base. some insp. dont really care as long as its somewhat safe and other totally forbid it..what to do

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480sparky

I never have. I typically fire up the permanent service as soon as possible.

Not to be able to trim, but to provide more power to all the other trades.


My question would be: What do you do to the panel to make it safe?

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In winter, why do we try to keep the house as warm as it was in summer when we complained about the heat?

B4T

I have an electric heater I connect to the 50a range circuit for temp heat in the winter. It has a thermostat and can easily heat a 5000sq; ft. house

Those space heater/ blowers that burn kerosene also give off LOTS of carbon monoxide and will make you sick

I put a 1900 box on the DW circuit and turn on the bath GFI'S

william1978

I'm a fan of getting temp power on a house. Around here all you have to do is wire the heat/AC and provide 1 GFCI protected cir and the house has to be lockable and the inspectors will give you TP. It makes the final trim out and inspection a whole lot easier.

480sparky

I'm all for temp services as they provide a minimum amount of power. But I'd rather get the permanent service fired up as soon as possible so no one complains about tripping breakers.

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In winter, why do we try to keep the house as warm as it was in summer when we complained about the heat?

MDShunk

The only safe way I can think of to do that is to use that Ekstrom fitting, designed for that purpose. I think it's probably a safe guess also that you're probably breaking a law or two by heating up a panel that hasn't really been inspected. A bit of a liability problem, perhaps, if someone ever got hurt or a fire happened, etc. It would be hard to argue that your installation was not the cause if you don't have the inspection as CYA.

Let me see if I can dig up a picture of that fitting...

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MDShunk

Here you go. "Temporary service adapter". Lets you backfeed a meter base with rubber cord:

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nrp3

You have a source for that or do you buy it direct from the company? Looked at their site and they have a couple of items I might like to get. Couldn't find an online seller.

MDShunk

I get Ekstrom stuff from a local power company. They sell it to me for what they paid for it. I don't know if any of your power companies will do that for you or not. I bet you could just call Ekstrom if you have a Duns number and ask them if they want a PO or a credit card for you to place an order. Don't ever ask any company if they will sell to you, or you set yourself up for the 'no' answer.

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Kevin J

Around my area for permanent power I'm only required to install 1 GFCI recep. and if the rest of the circuits are cut in the panels, then grounds and neutrals need to be landed and loose circuits taped off. Pretty easy.

nrp3

What's a Duns number. I guess I don't have one because I don't know what it is. I suspect they won't sell to me because I'm not the utility, though I know the meter guy well enough to ask. I like that meter bypass they have. Saves me from using home made jumpers that I fear might damage the jaws by being too thick.

MDShunk

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=duns+number

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micromind

The local building departments around here won't approve a temp unless it has at least one GFI installed. It can be on the temp panel or the permanent one.

Most of the stuff I do is considerable larger than a basic house panel, so there's usually a temp service. Frequently, the permanent service isn't energized until the project is nearly complete. Occasionally, removing the temp is the last thing to be done.

Some of the temps are 800 amp 480 volt 3 phase. Others are just a basic 100 amp single phase. Some are metered at 480, and the only thing the 480 does is supply a transformer down to 120.

Rob

zen

thanks for all the replies.these houses are around 12,000 sq ft so its a must to temp in the house.for the plumbers ,wall paper guys,sprinkler system ect. in my case all panels are stripped in neutrals and grounds landed and all circuts under correct breaker sizes. this house has taken about 2 and a half months because of detailed work,but as someone commented there is the issue of supplying power before the green tag and the liability,,,this was my main concern. a friend of mine at another company said the pool guy got a red tag for 1 loose grounds and 2 for having power to it before it passed,of coarse the electrician provided the power hence the prob..im gonna check into those meters "ekstrom fitting" that looks like my safe compliant bet ,,,,thanks again

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480sparky

Lemme get this straight...... your panel is energized, and you have all the breakers installed?

How do you keep all the other yahoos from just turning breakers on?

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william1978

Here we get Temp power on the house which is the perminate service and panels are energized, but the panels have to be lockable and cir's that are not complete and GFCI protected can not be hooked up at time of the TP inspection. Most houses here above say 5000 sq.ft. get TP for condition air for all the wood work that goes in these houses.

zen

once all the plugs and switches ,disconnects etc, the house is temped in for the other trades fortunately i havnt had anyone turning on breakers,who ever the super is on the job calls me if anything electrical needs attention. as i stated before in earlier years it was understood and acceptable to temp in the house, not the case these days

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william1978

Are you getting paid extra for all of this?

zen

i doubt our co. gets paid for some of the extra stuff ,,,often it becomes a trade off for other trades doing favors for us.

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william1978

Aslong as your getting something for your time and efforts.