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01-08-2011, 07:23 PM
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currentlyLooped
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Wanted to share this with the resi guys
This is in my mama's bathroom and kitchen...BLATANT gfci violation. She bought the house this way so obviously the inspectors around here are sleeping on the job... I hope the pics are sized right... apologies if they aren't. I'm a bonehead that doesn't know how to size.... 
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01-08-2011, 07:30 PM
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Any chance they are off GFCI breakers?
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01-08-2011, 07:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bama
This is in my mama's bathroom and kitchen...BLATANT gfci violation. She bought the house this way so obviously the inspectors around here are sleeping on the job... I hope the pics are sized right... apologies if they aren't. I'm a bonehead that doesn't know how to size.... |
Have you checked to see if they're on the load side of a GFI or GFI breaker?
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01-08-2011, 07:31 PM
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Electric Al
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bama
This is in my mama's bathroom and kitchen...BLATANT gfci violation. She bought the house this way so obviously the inspectors around here are sleeping on the job... I hope the pics are sized right... apologies if they aren't. I'm a bonehead that doesn't know how to size.... |
How do you know from the pic, that the receptacle is not fed from a G F I breaker??? 
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01-08-2011, 07:36 PM
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currentlyLooped
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There's not a GFCI in the whole house. Nor in the service box. And I even found blue boxes.
Last edited by Bama; 01-08-2011 at 07:41 PM.
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01-08-2011, 07:47 PM
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At least who-ever did it, didn't put the receptacles in upside down. 
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01-08-2011, 07:49 PM
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I find it really hard to believe the inspectors would miss this. Take a picture of the panel and post it.
Last edited by sfeyelectric; 01-08-2011 at 07:50 PM.
Reason: forgot a letter, lol
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01-08-2011, 07:50 PM
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currentlyLooped
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Originally Posted by Dnkldorf
At least who-ever did it, didn't put the receptacles in upside down. |
Thank gawd for small miracles. I was just concerned about it cause this will eventually be my house and I want everything to be safe for moms for now.
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01-08-2011, 07:51 PM
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Sideways Sparky
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Why does the receptacle by the toaster need to be gfi protected?
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01-08-2011, 07:53 PM
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Coaster Sparky
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Quote:
Originally Posted by farlsincharge
Why does the receptacle by the toaster need to be gfi protected?
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Because it's a countertop receptacle.
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01-08-2011, 07:55 PM
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Sideways Sparky
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Originally Posted by thegoldenboy
Because it's a counter-top receptacle.
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How long has it been code to gfi a kitchen counter receptacle though?
Here it has only been a couple years, and that house looks more than a couple years old to me.
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01-08-2011, 07:55 PM
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currentlyLooped
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sfeyelectric
I find it really hard to believe the inspectors would miss this. Take a picture of the panel and post it.
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Ok I will tomorrow. I felt the same way. How could she buy the house with no GFCI whatsoever. I've seen the panel on many occasions (due to crappy HVAC work) and I didn't see anything that looked like a GFCI breaker. But being a noob as I am I may have missed it. I will look closer tomorrow. Thank you everyone.
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01-08-2011, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Dnkldorf
At least who-ever did it, didn't put the receptacles in upside down. |
Sure they did. 
Just because that's how it was when you found it doesn't mean that's how it always was or if it even needed a GFI when it was new. I know a lot of homeowners that don't need a $10 GFI when a 79 cent receptacle is "just as good".
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01-08-2011, 08:02 PM
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Coaster Sparky
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Quote:
Originally Posted by farlsincharge
How long has it been code to gfi a kitchen counter receptacle though?
Here it has only been a couple years, and that house looks more than a couple years old to me.
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You can tell how old a house is based off the wallpaper or countertops installed or the appliances pictured? And I can only reference as far back as the '99 code cycle. 210.8 A (6) so AT LEAST for the last 5 code cycles.
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01-08-2011, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Bama
There's not a GFCI in the whole house. Nor in the service box. And I even found blue boxes. |
Sounds like a Flipper job.. those guys cut every corner in the book to maximize profit and buy another house to hack up.. 
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01-08-2011, 08:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thegoldenboy
You can tell how old a house is based off the wallpaper or countertops installed or the appliances pictured?
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I know there old when the siding is that old heavy tar paper crap that looks like red bricks.
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01-08-2011, 08:13 PM
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Coaster Sparky
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Originally Posted by Dnkldorf
I know there old when the siding is that old heavy tar paper crap that looks like red bricks.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I only see two interior pictures of a bathroom/kitchen countertop. I don't see any exterior pictures.
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01-08-2011, 08:14 PM
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Sideways Sparky
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thegoldenboy
You can tell how old a house is based off the wallpaper or countertops installed or the appliances pictured? And I can only reference as far back as the '99 code cycle. 210.8 A (6) so AT LEAST for the last 5 code cycles.
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I can tell that it it is not brand new. The receptacle plate in the bathroom appears oversized as well. Leads me to believe that that plug was added at some point in the life of the house. Probably not by a professional.
I could be completely wrong though, it happened once before.
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01-08-2011, 08:15 PM
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currentlyLooped
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It was a remodel from '99. I think B4T has the right idea. But like I said I will post pics from the inside panel as well as the service panel tomorrow. The inside panel has no GFCI breakers. Just checked. 
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01-08-2011, 08:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thegoldenboy
Maybe I'm missing something, but I only see two interior pictures of a bathroom/kitchen countertop. I don't see any exterior pictures.
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Then you've never seen what I'm talking about.
When you see a house like I describe, you know it's old.
They generally have old newspapers in the walls for insulation.
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