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Old 04-11-2017, 07:24 PM   #1
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Does anyone know if it is legal for electricians to install signs ? ( building , lighted, retail fixed store front signs) ?

Obviously we wire them , but do we need a builders license to install them ?


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Does anyone know if it is legal for electricians to install signs ? ( building , lighted, retail fixed store front signs) ?

Obviously we wire them , but do we need a builders license to install them ?


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Yes and No depending on which states you are located and as far I know there is seperated license to address on sign installment but not need it for repair or mantanice that what I know of .,,

If other know about they can add to my comment on this.
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When you do not honestly fill out your profile these can be very hard to answer.
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You'd have to check with the local inspection department but I'd say off hand as long as you take out a building permit you'd be good.

How hard can it be to hang one if a sign guy can do it?
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You'd have to check with the local inspection department but I'd say off hand as long as you take out a building permit you'd be good.



How hard can it be to hang one if a sign guy can do it?


Not hard at all actually


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Yes I did , needless to say I didn't pull a permit ....this was about 6 months ago now... I pull many more permits now compared to when I was starting out


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Yes I did , needless to say I didn't pull a permit ....this was about 6 months ago now... I pull many more permits now compared to when I was starting out


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If it is Neon, then an additional level of electrical license is required here , not just any sparky is allowed , same goes for splicing high voltage cable.


Of course we can attach wire nuts from the branch circuit wiring to the primary leads for the fixture, but not the internal fixture wiring.
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You need a C-45 license.
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If it is Neon, then an additional level of electrical license is required here , not just any sparky is allowed , same goes for splicing high voltage cable.


Of course we can attach wire nuts from the branch circuit wiring to the primary leads for the fixture, but not the internal fixture wiring.
From his question I would trust he was concerned with hanging it and not building it's internals from scratch.
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From his question I would trust he was concerned with hanging it and not building it's internals from scratch.


To be honest I had the box letters and raceway built and completed everything else myself ....driver , LED's, wiring ... it came out great and sparked interest from other businesses in the area which is why this question was posted....I work closely with a sign guy which gives me the ability to sell and have signs semi-built. Then I do all the interior wiring , build and installation.. it was actually very profitable and did most of the work during slow times in my shop.

Now I know i probably shouldn't be doing this ! Lol or at least figure out a way To do it legally because i actually enjoyed it


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Maybe things are different elsewhere but the one permit you usually can't get away with skipping - is a sign in town. Think about it a second, it's a sign, people are going to see it
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Maybe things are different elsewhere but the one permit you usually can't get away with skipping - is a sign in town. Think about it a second, it's a sign, people are going to see it


Your absolute right ! I went last night to look at 2 sign installs with my sign guy and our first stop was to the town hall for a sign design hearing. A room with 4 town workers asking the most minute details about the sign before approving it .... that's what got me a little worried.


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I have to take out a separate sign permit but anyone can do it. I thought new signs had to be UL listed though.
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To be honest I had the box letters and raceway built and completed everything else myself ....driver , LED's, wiring ... it came out great and sparked interest from other businesses in the area which is why this question was posted....I work closely with a sign guy which gives me the ability to sell and have signs semi-built. Then I do all the interior wiring , build and installation.. it was actually very profitable and did most of the work during slow times in my shop.

Now I know i probably shouldn't be doing this ! Lol or at least figure out a way To do it legally because i actually enjoyed it


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I have to take out a separate sign permit but anyone can do it. I thought new signs had to be UL listed though.
I seriously doubt that. There are so many sign shops that fab things up from various parts, they aren't going to have a UL rating on the assembled internal wiring menagerie.
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I seriously doubt that. There are so many sign shops that fab things up from various parts, they aren't going to have a UL rating on the assembled internal wiring menagerie.
Unless there is a specific rule exempting signs, wouldn't sign shops have to have their sign assemblies approved and have a UL number for them to be legal to install? I have seen UL/CSA decals on signs that I have worked on.
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I know a guy that used to work in a sign shop and yes they do have to have their stuff UL listed. He told me they have random tests done every so often where they will test an assembly and then the rest of their stuff is covered. I think it is yearly certification. And it's not cheap!

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Unless there is a specific rule exempting signs, wouldn't sign shops have to have their sign assemblies approved and have a UL number for them to be legal to install? I have seen UL/CSA decals on signs that I have worked on.
I've done service work in two very large sign shops. It's possible that many of the light sub assemblies that they stock are approved but the way they often cobble those units together inside a large sign are they still approved?

I've worked in some of the shops long enough to see a sign completed and just put on a truck to be hung the next day. Not even a boss in the shop looks at the internals of the finished product.

I've removed a few signs that looked like a kid put them together in his back yard.
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