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Old 04-12-2017, 10:20 AM   #21
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Is it compliant to assemble custom signage from listed components without getting the sign itself listed?
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Old 04-12-2017, 04:36 PM   #22
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Is it compliant to assemble custom signage from listed components without getting the sign itself listed?
Wouldn't the entirety of the circuitry inside the sign have to be tested to be compliant?
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The key to sign liability is -- does the dang thing STAY PUT.

The elements and earthquakes make these puppies fall down.

They are normally so out of reach that the general public can't electrocute themselves...

And if they start sparking -- it does get obvious.

Major signs have safety switches ready to hand, are treated like independent sheds.

You'd be astounded as to the price tag for having some erected.
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The key to sign liability is -- does the dang thing STAY PUT.

The elements and earthquakes make these puppies fall down.

They are normally so out of reach that the general public can't electrocute themselves...

And if they start sparking -- it does get obvious.

Major signs have safety switches ready to hand, are treated like independent sheds.

You'd be astounded as to the price tag for having some erected.

Not at all, some erections are very expensive.



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IMO Keeping them in place is the easiest part .... even the biggest of building signs are extremely light... they are 90% constructed of very thin aluminum and the the letters faces are made of very thin plexiglass with a vinyl mold trim.

The sign I installed was 19' long including the company logo , and letters were 21-23" tall...The whole sign felt not even 50lbs fully built , wired , driver and all.

I rented a scissor lift because of the size , but the company I work with doesn't even know what a scissor lift is. They would've thrown this up on ladders.


you'd be surprised by the size of some of these things yet they are installed with 2 or 3 extension ladders , I prep every sign for line voltage wiring and an exterior lever switch while it's being built at the shop


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Not at all, some erections are very expensive.

https://youtu.be/J8vbKqEVsgY


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Tell us more from your vast knowledge of expensive erections Mech...

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LOL, does any part of those items erected in the videos look inexpensive?
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In Florida, a sign license is a speciality license someone can get without being a full electrical contractor.
We, as an EC, can do any kind of sign work.
Building a sign is something different.
We can do that and the inspector comes out for a sign inspection to look inside before it gets installed.
They also look for a UL label.
If you bought it pre-made and it has a label, it's good.
If you made it in your shop, you have to have some NRTL come out and approve it and give you a label. With that inspection, They sell you a roll or sheet of labels that are only good for you to make that exact same sign in whatever quantity you like.
They would allow us to make some size variables but it had to be the same components.
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In Florida, a sign license is a speciality license someone can get without being a full electrical contractor.
We, as an EC, can do any kind of sign work.
Building a sign is something different.
We can do that and the inspector comes out for a sign inspection to look inside before it gets installed.
They also look for a UL label.
If you bought it pre-made and it has a label, it's good.
If you made it in your shop, you have to have some NRTL come out and approve it and give you a label. With that inspection, They sell you a roll or sheet of labels that are only good for you to make that exact same sign in whatever quantity you like.
They would allow us to make some size variables but it had to be the same components.
Interesting!
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Is it compliant to assemble custom signage from listed components without getting the sign itself listed?
No.
The assembley has to have listed components.
Once assembled, they have to be inspected and labeled as an assembley.

We installed two labeled displays back to back inside of a mall.
The inspector noted that they were now a single assembley and had to be labeled as such.
5k later, they had a label.
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The assembley has to have listed components.
Once assembled, they have to be inspected and labeled as an assembley.

We installed two labeled displays back to back inside of a mall.
The inspector noted that they were now a single assembley and had to be labeled as such.
5k later, they had a label.
May I inquire who had to foot that bill ?
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Each sign has to have a serial number.
You have to keep a logbook of each sign and account for each of the labels they sell you.
Some go "missing" and you just make a note of repainted or destroyed in the logbook.
Needless to say, the labels get passed around a bit.
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There is plenty of money in advertising, they couldn't write a check fast enough.
All done after hours.

We ended up having to move a power supply out of the way of a vent hole in case it caught fire and dripped on someone.
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Each sign has to have a serial number.
You have to keep a logbook of each sign and account for each of the labels they sell you.
Some go "missing" and you just make a note of repainted or destroyed in the logbook.
Needless to say, the labels get passed around a bit.
What was that you posted earlier about a Jersey attitude?
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There is plenty of money in advertising, they couldn't write a check fast enough.
All done after hours.

We ended up having to move a power supply out of the way of a vent hole in case it caught fire and dripped on someone.
Have to love correcting a design error.
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