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Old 02-02-2017, 03:30 PM   #41
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Old 02-02-2017, 04:04 PM   #42
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You're welcome! There are still places that prefer experience to book knowledge in their office.
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You'll make more money as a lineman, but I hope you like ungodly overtime, hard work, and working in nasty weather. I chose to become an electrician because of the long game. Ive talked to tons of lineman who have missed a bunch of family events and holidays due to storm calls and whatnot, and I decided that long term I didn't want to miss that stuff when I have a family. I'd be a journeyman lineman by now making serious money, but money isnt everything. Any trade has its pluses and minuses.
Yeah those are exactly the reasons i got out of the Navy. For electrician though from what i hear your income is all up to you and that overtime happens quit a bit. Its just kind of scary i guess. I want to be successful and get into something that i can move up in ya know. Not just another body like the military.
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This is something I was just watching on a tv talk program.

Seems a large objection to the muslim immigration delay is that companies in Silicon Valley say they need to hire from outside the US to get engineers.

My question is with so many engineers doing menial jobs right now how is it their degree isn't good enough? How is it that engineers from 3rd world countries are so much better qualified when they don't have the modern devices on the scale as we do here?

Are they looking for guys coming off nuclear warhead R&D or what?
So many college students in the US squandered their chance at an education by joining protest groups and settled for a "C". See what todays college students are like by watching "Waters World" on the O'Reily Factor.

Parents in most 3rd world countries make sure their kids apply themselves since education is their only path out of poverty.

Most of todays recent "PE's" are only good at signing drawings done by non-graduate designers.
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Off shore engineers - it's about money. They are hiring them because they work cheap. Low salary, no benefits. Was nothing wrong with what the American employees were doing, they had the job. Now they give them a few weeks to train their low priced replacement, and then they are gone. Cha-ching. Why would anyone think corporations care about you as a person. It's all about pleasing Wall St by showing profit that beats the expectations. Don't believe too much what O'Reilly says, he's a tool of Rupert Murdoch so he has an agenda to push, says things his viewers like. He cares about his investments, not your job.

Just like electricians, good engineers are in short supply. Plenty of imposters out there, 25 year old and 65 year old. We all know them. If you are good you will always have work.
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Off shore engineers - it's about money. They are hiring them because they work cheap. Low salary, no benefits. Was nothing wrong with what the American employees were doing, they had the job. Now they give them a few weeks to train their low priced replacement, and then they are gone. Cha-ching. Why would anyone think corporations care about you as a person. It's all about pleasing Wall St by showing profit that beats the expectations. Don't believe too much what O'Reilly says, he's a tool of Rupert Murdoch so he has an agenda to push, says things his viewers like. He cares about his investments, not your job.

Just like electricians, good engineers are in short supply. Plenty of imposters out there, 25 year old and 65 year old. We all know them. If you are good you will always have work.
This is very true, and it's becoming well known. Many companies will go through the trouble of putting up job postings for engineers, computer programmers, IT, quality control, etc and even do rounds of interviews, all of which will end in rejection.

There are two reasons for this: they already have someone lined up to take the job, or they want to hire cheap from overseas.

The former is exclusively seen in jobs that involve state money. My fiance went through this when applying to research positions at state universities -- they're legally required to make a public job posting, despite the fact that they often hire internally anyway.

The latter is a plague on all of American industry: companies want talent but don't want to pay for it. The immediate solution is to hand out work visas and bring in professionals from overseas, who will work for less. They do this by setting up job postings and interviews, rejecting all the applicants, and complaining to the department of labor that they "cannot find qualified applicants" (B.S.) who will give them the go-ahead to import workers.

That's also not to say that many Engineering programs in the U.S. are total B.S. as well. Many schools, even state ones, are trying to hop on the STEM bandwagon and offer science and engineering degrees. I don't mind it so much because these places -- which are usually business/teaching/humanities colleges -- have been building "science centers" like crazy (sweet, sweet prevailing wage jobs). But they churn out engineering grads who took watered down versions of Calculus (little to no limits, next to no integrals, no ODEs), very little Linear Algebra (idk how that's even legal), and cannot use modern engineering tools and software (Matlab, C, CAD stuff, etc).

It's an industry-wide effort to over-saturate the talent pool and make into a race for the bottom. Any idiot can see why this is bad, but these people are just interested in the bottom line.

This sort of thing has burned them before. It used to be popular to hire Indians and Eastern Europeans for IT and programming -- the former couldn't do it and the latter was notorious for giving way intellectual property and security information for personal profit. But corps never learn from past mistakes, they just look for ways to make new ones.
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Off shore engineers - it's about money. They are hiring them because they work cheap. Low salary, no benefits. Was nothing wrong with what the American employees were doing, they had the job. Now they give them a few weeks to train their low priced replacement, and then they are gone. Cha-ching. Why would anyone think corporations care about you as a person. It's all about pleasing Wall St by showing profit that beats the expectations. Don't believe too much what O'Reilly says, he's a tool of Rupert Murdoch so he has an agenda to push, says things his viewers like. He cares about his investments, not your job.

Just like electricians, good engineers are in short supply. Plenty of imposters out there, 25 year old and 65 year old. We all know them. If you are good you will always have work.
I don't know about that in Canada. Lots of good electricians and not lots of jobs. I am 66 and still want to mentor the youth and ensure quality work does not go the way of the dinosaurs. I consider myself an asset and have helped engineers with as-builds in the field.
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As a lineman you will always be outside, at height, and on call. Then do you want to be a distribution or transmission lineman? There is a big difference. Going up in a 40' bucket or long lining into a remote tower overlooking a canyon is where you need to know your comfort level at height. Being an Electrician, there are so many different types of Electricians. Residential, commercial, industrial, maintenance, low voltage, substation, etc. You'll make journeyman faster as a lineman and have the opportunity for big $$ sooner. Electrician you will have a 5 year apprenticeship and even once you journey out there is still a ton to learn. You will have to decide what you want to do but I have done both so that is an option always too.
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A lot of linemen work their entire careers at the same POCO. There's a sense of family for most linemen, not so for inside guys.

Around here, linemen are paid a bit more than inside guys, but the work is far more brutal. Every time there's a storm, you'll get called, and you'll work outside in the worst possible conditions.
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I'm incredibly curious here, and asking the same question, but I got accepted into the IBEW.

I wonder if such a thing is possible... To have a lineman as a "side-dish" career, and take jobs on a as-needed basis. I can see myself working 12 hour or 24 hour days and I HAVE done that before, but I do have "fuses" of my own and no matter how enjoyable or fruitful the work is, it will burn you out.

Is it possible to work as a union electrician in the long-run... and perhaps attend a school, and work as a non-union lineman when you need the extra money or when your wanderlust acts up?
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I'm incredibly curious here, and asking the same question, but I got accepted into the IBEW.

I wonder if such a thing is possible... To have a lineman as a "side-dish" career, and take jobs on a as-needed basis. I can see myself working 12 hour or 24 hour days and I HAVE done that before, but I do have "fuses" of my own and no matter how enjoyable or fruitful the work is, it will burn you out.

Is it possible to work as a union electrician in the long-run... and perhaps attend a school, and work as a non-union lineman when you need the extra money or when your wanderlust acts up?
There are POCOs like Boston Edison and some co-ops that hire lineman through sub contractors for routine maintenance and that type thing.
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Is it legal to work a 24 hour day?
I realize some may say it is not but they do it anyway.
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I realize some may say it is not but they do it anyway.
I've known lineman to work straight through a lengthy storm, they just take turns napping in the truck.
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I've known lineman to work straight through a lengthy storm, they just take turns napping in the truck.
Makes sense. You would need naps; otherwise, accidents could bite you in the ass.
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Makes sense. You would need naps; otherwise, accidents could bite you in the ass.
While on military support contracts I worked with the line crews several times during outages to go into buildings to start up equipment that had gone down just to see if anything was damaged by the outage.
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Sometimes we tend to forget that some jobs you have to be there all hours. Not like the industrial, commercial, and residential woosies.
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I was on call in every job I had for the previous 20 years before retiring.
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