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Old 10-31-2016, 09:49 AM   #21
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NDC, neither of the super thin models, economy or normal, have a heat sink at all. My comparison is between those two. I only mentioned the 12w thicker model with the big heatsink to show that the "economy" super thin model was almost as bright, making me wonder why it's economy and not premium.

$.99, I am extremely disappointed in you.

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Old 11-23-2016, 10:46 AM   #22
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Just saw the other day Elite makes something very similar to the Lotus at half the cost. Supply house had them in stock and the price was about $30 for the 4" version instead of close to $60.
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Lots of choices in the market for slim LED.

I bought Lithonia(WF4 I believe) for my basement. $30 at the local supplier. They are 36000 compared to 50000 hours of the Lotus. After 36000 hours I won't complain if I need new lights.
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I talked to the local Lotus dude yesterday. He had a spreadsheet showing the difference between Lotus and knockoffs. It included three coats of paint, a two stage driver (whatever that means) and more LED's. Life expectancy is supposedly higher as well.

My preference is Lotus because I believe in their quality but sometimes price talks.
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I talked to the local Lotus dude yesterday. He had a spreadsheet showing the difference between Lotus and knockoffs. It included three coats of paint, a two stage driver (whatever that means) and more LED's. Life expectancy is supposedly higher as well.

My preference is Lotus because I believe in their quality but sometimes price talks.
But you didn't ask him the one thing that I wanted to know and asked you about. Thanks.
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But you didn't ask him the one thing that I wanted to know and asked you about. Thanks.
Jeebus, I forgot, Hack . I'll ask.
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Jeebus, I forgot, Hack . I'll ask.
Hack, you're being a d!ck so you can phone Lotus yourself.
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Hack, you're being a d!ck so you can phone Lotus yourself.
I really didn't expect anything from you.

Next time I am in Home Depot I will ask one of the shelf stockers if he has any Lotus lights in his sideworker station wagon and if he can help.
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I really didn't expect anything from you.

Next time I am in Home Depot I will ask one of the shelf stockers if he has any Lotus lights in his sideworker station wagon and if he can help.
I don't help assholes.
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I was watching Mass at St. Peter's Square at the Vatican on tv, and the Pope said he was praying for earthquake victims in El Salvador, Haiti, Japan, Italy , and New Zealand. Also he mentioned Hackworks and 99 and said prayers for them to reconcile as well...............
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I have another job 20 recessed on a 1st floor with drywall notches & cutouts (YAY!) and 20 on a 2nd floor with attic access.

I'm thinking of using the Elite low profile LED. Well I definitely want to use something like this on the 1st floor, but then I want to match the 2nd floor lights to the 1st floor.
I like using 4" lights, they look nicer and have the same or about the same light output for LED's as a 5" or 6".
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I installed 10 of the Elite 6inch slim LED 900lum 15W today and I really like them.
I used my Hole Pro X to cut quick and accurate holes with no mess. The customer was very happy about that too.
I used a Lutron Diva CL dimmer and they dim pretty good.
Install of the fixtures was a breeze and the price was good.
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Has anyone used the rough in plates? (RIP6 and RIP4)

If so, do you just attach them under the joist if it happens to be in the way?

What about when there are multiple stacked joists where the light needs to go?

My supply house carries these and I am considering using them in an upcoming project.
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Longer resi warranty on their 12W and it looks like it has a better heatsink. I think the 12W or original has a larger OD last time I put one in I had to buy a larger hole saw. I have only installed Lotus 12W. I'm sure its just built better overall.
My favourite trick is to install the 12W and let them see how bright they are, then sell them the dimmer upgrade when they thought that 12W wouldn't be bright enough.
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Modifier, I got your last email. So basically it's just a lower quality builder grade model that is brighter but might not last as long and the color temp might change. Makes sense.

And thanks for finding that out for us, 99cents failed. He is now down with Borgi on my list of Canadians I might move in with.
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For those interested in the cut sheets and comparison sheet I sent Hack, click to download:

Economy 9W

Standard 9W

4" 14W model

Lithonia Comparison

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Wow, Borgo just dodged a bullet .
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