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03-03-2009, 08:49 PM
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Track lighting without using a box?
just saw a track light with wiremold going to a ceiling fan... is this a code violation? or can you splice in the track inclosure?? just wondering..
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03-03-2009, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hayan453
just saw a track light with wiremold going to a ceiling fan... is this a code violation? or can you splice in the track inclosure?? just wondering..
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Most tracks I have seen have a live end fitting in which you can bring your power to. I assume the wiremold is entering this enclosure. The enclosure usually has three terminal screws for neutral, hot and ground.
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03-03-2009, 09:14 PM
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just saw a track light with wiremold going to a ceiling fan... is this a code violation? or can you splice in the track inclosure?? just wondering..
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Most TL JB's have barely enough room for one cable...forget two.
They do make larger TL JB's, but there should be a box behind that point......as I recall 
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03-03-2009, 09:18 PM
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Most TL JB's have barely enough room for one cable...forget two.
They do make larger TL JB's, but there should be a box behind that point......as I recall |
You could also feed into one end of the track and use a live end on the other side to feed out. Legal? I don't know for sure.
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03-03-2009, 10:20 PM
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You could also feed into one end of the track and use a live end on the other side to feed out. Legal? I don't know for sure.
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Not legal because they are polarized and will only fit into one end of the track.
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03-03-2009, 10:30 PM
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oh i see so it terminates in the en of the track like terminating in a panel? same kinda screw type lugs?
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03-03-2009, 10:35 PM
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electricista is right they do have the opposite side so you can daisy chain the TL.. thank you google haha.. and thanks guys for the help 
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03-04-2009, 05:12 PM
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If I came across this on an inspection I would ask to see verification from the manufacture that the track light is approved for this set up. I'm willing to bet that it is not.
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03-04-2009, 05:23 PM
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Not legal because they are polarized and will only fit into one end of the track.
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I believe 480 sparky hit the nail on the head.
I have seen , in the past, a track manufacturer that made the end fitting so that you break off a tab on one side-- basically you could decide which terminal was neutral or hot. I guess you would have to reverse the screws on the far side.
I also agree with manchestersparky, the track is probably not listed for this install. It is a bit atypical.
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03-04-2009, 05:24 PM
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electricista is right they do have the opposite side so you can daisy chain the TL.. thank you google haha.. and thanks guys for the help
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Do you have a link to the part you are talking about.
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03-04-2009, 06:04 PM
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I believe 480 sparky hit the nail on the head.
I have seen , in the past, a track manufacturer that made the end fitting so that you break off a tab on one side-- basically you could decide which terminal was neutral or hot. I guess you would have to reverse the screws on the far side.
I also agree with manchestersparky, the track is probably not listed for this install. It is a bit atypical.
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How can you 'decide' which terminal is hot and which is neutral? The lampholders on the track must be kept polarized to satisfy 200.10(C), 410.50 and 410.90.
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03-04-2009, 06:16 PM
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How can you 'decide' which terminal is hot and which is neutral? The lampholders on the track must be kept polarized to satisfy 200.10(C), 410.50 and 410.90.
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This is true but I do recall this system. I am thinking it was an old juno vector system but am not certain. I may be wacked about this--it was 15 or more years ago.
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03-04-2009, 06:21 PM
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just saw a track light with wiremold going to a ceiling fan... is this a code violation? or can you splice in the track inclosure?? just wondering..
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I'm not even sure I understand this setup. Track light... got it. Track light with Wiremold... okay, with you so far. I guess the Wiremold is feeding the track, eh? Track light with Wiremold going to a ceiling fan... this is where I get lost. I just can't picture what is is you're describing. What feeds the fan, exactly??? Are you saying someone somehow hung a fan off track?
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03-04-2009, 07:45 PM
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I don't know if this is what you guys are talking about, but Halo makes what they call a conduit continuation kit, #L979. Designed as two live end connectors with a 1/2" conduit ko. Feed in a track and feed out the other end to go to another piece of track, or in this case, wiremold then out to a ceiling fan.
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03-04-2009, 08:34 PM
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I don't know if this is what you guys are talking about, but Halo makes what they call a conduit continuation kit, #L979. Designed as two live end connectors with a 1/2" conduit ko. Feed in a track and feed out the other end to go to another piece of track, or in this case, wiremold then out to a ceiling fan.
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I believe you are correct
They are made as right and left end conduit continuation kit. This helps you get around obstacles.
Here is the link
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03-04-2009, 09:01 PM
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MDshunk there was an exsisting ceiling fan and the track lighting was put in later so they got power from the fan.. im guessing 12/3 to the fan and instead of having a fan/light setup they just had a fan.. and i shouldve copied the link... i'll try to find it again electricista..
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03-04-2009, 09:16 PM
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MDshunk there was an exsisting ceiling fan and the track lighting was put in later so they got power from the fan.. im guessing 12/3 to the fan and instead of having a fan/light setup they just had a fan.. and i shouldve copied the link... i'll try to find it again electricista..
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Interesting. How did the wiring get from the ceiling fan box into the Wiremold?
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03-04-2009, 09:30 PM
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Interesting. How did the wiring get from the ceiling fan box into the Wiremold?
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How about the old notch in the canopy trick. 
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03-04-2009, 09:33 PM
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How about the old notch in the canopy trick. |
That would be my assumption..... hack work as it is.
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03-04-2009, 09:41 PM
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How about the old notch in the canopy trick. |
You mean like that?
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