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You mean like that?
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Nice work John. 
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03-04-2009, 09:54 PM
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Thanks!
I kept the disconnecting means close.... for safety!
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03-04-2009, 09:56 PM
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(Above pictures from this thread, originally)
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03-04-2009, 10:00 PM
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They couldn't even match the colors on the plate to the receptacle.
I wonder how that got that big plug thru the wiremold. 
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03-04-2009, 10:09 PM
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Look on the bright side...at least it's a grounded heavy duty cord instead of zip cord. 
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03-04-2009, 11:40 PM
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I dont know how they did it.. forgot already but its probably something like johns pictures i would think.. how would you guys do it? an exposed round box under the canopy would look too tacky i think.. do they have something for this kind of situation?
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03-05-2009, 11:56 AM
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I dont know how they did it.. forgot already but its probably something like johns pictures i would think.. how would you guys do it? an exposed round box under the canopy would look too tacky i think.. do they have something for this kind of situation?
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A surface box may be tacky but that is one legal and safe way to do it. The pictures are flagrant violations of the NEC.
Here is what I would do. Assuming no attic, I would fish a piece of wire out the fan box into the back of a live end connector. The track would then be connected to that connector. Clean and fairly simple.
If the fan is on a surface that cannot be fished then I would add a wiremold round extension ring and have the wiremold come out of the box as it should. Shown in this picture. Then take the wiremold into the track conduit end fitting
Here is the Halo live end fitting. The ko is in the back.
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03-05-2009, 01:15 PM
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[quote=electricista;62989]
If the fan is on a surface that cannot be fished then I would add a wiremold round extension ring and have the wiremold come out of the box as it should. Shown in this picture. Then take the wiremold into the track conduit end fitting
Does wiremold make a round ext ring, or a box for that matter, that is fan rated?
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03-05-2009, 02:25 PM
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[quote=te12co2w;62994]
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If the fan is on a surface that cannot be fished then I would add a wiremold round extension ring and have the wiremold come out of the box as it should. Shown in this picture. Then take the wiremold into the track conduit end fitting
Does wiremold make a round ext ring, or a box for that matter, that is fan rated?
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You would not be hanging the fan from the wiremold box but rather from the box above which we all hope is fan rated.
Also wiremold does make a fan rated round box that is fan rated.
V5738A part number
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03-05-2009, 04:48 PM
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You would not be hanging the fan from the wiremold box but rather from the box above which we all hope is fan rated.
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Or support the fan independently of the box.
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03-05-2009, 04:52 PM
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Or support the fan independently of the box.
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That is certainly an option if there is some framing behind the box to attach the fan bracket.
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03-05-2009, 05:06 PM
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OH -- OK , Now I see it! 
When I first read the original post I read it as the feed went to the track light first then to the fan, using the track light as a raceway to get the fan wires to the fan.
Brain Fart ? Old Age setting In ? Reading more into it then there was -You decide. 
I recant my prior statement and say:
As long as the fan is supported properly,according to the NEC in force, and the wiremold is ran according to it's listing,using all the proper fittings and supports there shouldn't be a problem
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03-05-2009, 05:11 PM
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OH -- OK , Now I see it!
When I first read the original post I read it as the feed went to the track light first then to the fan, using the track light as a raceway to get the fan wires to the fan.
Brain Fart ? Old Age setting In ? Reading more into it then there was -You decide.
I recant my prior statement and say:
As long as the fan is supported properly,according to the NEC in force, and the wiremold is ran according to it's listing,using all the proper fittings and supports there shouldn't be a problem |
I thought that was a possibly scenario also. With the fittings I showed in the earlier post I believe that would be an okay install.
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03-05-2009, 08:46 PM
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Wow you learn something new everyday... thats a great idea electricista.. does the wiremold round ext. box come with a KO on the side?
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03-05-2009, 08:51 PM
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Wow you learn something new everyday... thats a great idea electricista.. does the wiremold round ext. box come with a KO on the side?
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It's round.... so it can't. 314.2.
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03-05-2009, 09:17 PM
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oh ya stupid question  didnt really think about that one.. so how does electricists setup work? "I would add a wiremold round extension ring and have the wiremold come out of the box as it should" <--- this part?
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03-05-2009, 09:39 PM
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oh ya stupid question didnt really think about that one.. so how does electricists setup work? "I would add a wiremold round extension ring and have the wiremold come out of the box as it should" <--- this part? |
The wiremold slips into the slot on the wiremold ext. ring. From there it will go to the track light using a wiremold adapter.
This would screw into the halo track fitting.
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03-05-2009, 09:50 PM
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what secures the connector to the ext. ring?
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03-05-2009, 09:55 PM
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what secures the connector to the ext. ring?
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Have you ever used wiremold? The wiremold box has a tab that the wiremold slides into. It is just a pressure fit-- no connector. Wiremold has a metal backing. The cover , so to speak, has a channel on the back side so that the box tab can slide in snuggly. It is a tight fit.
Look at page 7 of this wiremold PDF . You can see the tabs on the box there.
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03-05-2009, 10:44 PM
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I have used wiremold before but not this particular type of connector.. its hard to see it when i look at the "drawing" of it..
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